@Schedrevka yeah, i agree with all that too

and since we don't have a good concept of an "equal" species, we level everything to human

Hence "acting humane" etc

"humanists"

@Dr.Wol also true too tho

So i think what we 3 have here, is a different concept cuz I believe we have a mixture of "being human" and "having humanity"

why the NAP cannot be applied to animals in the same way it will be (and should be) applied to humans universally by the force of common law, natural law (such as in the case of replacing the social contract with the NAP)

I think there's a difference in what is biologically human, and something 'having humanity'

exactly, so do i

and because animals dont follow the NAP either amongst themselves .... so we are not exactly going to make a rapey dolphin prison for all those rapey dolphins and other animals

but I wouldn't want to give exact definitions on either since people will use those labels to say 'this person lacks it' to justify doing awful things to them

"being human" is just the state of biological to me, hence i place it under identified by genetics

but YOU can personally apply the NAP to animals in yoru own life, just the point is that you cannot impose it on someone else like the NAP can be potentially

I would agree with you Schedrevka, but the world shows us that people don't need a reason to hate another "This person is black colored, so he's lesser"

like me, im vegetarian for the most part... but NOT going to impose it on others .... especially not go full militant vegan to liberate all the farm animals

no go full vegan anyways LOL .... maybe for a few weeks here and there to experiment, i might try

butter is good for you tho

in moderation 😋

everything is

LOL no dude. dont even start trolling

drink a "moderate" amount of chlorine and come back to us to say how you feel

well, a moderate amount is hardly anything 😛

anything above that and it becomes "lethal"

now a moderate amount is hardly anything .... oh yeah, and an excessive amount is now hardly a moderate amount too

well, moderate is an indication

not a set value

I drank chlorine before. I think everyone who has been to a public pool has.

its a set value depending on what it is and what its being used for and how, etc ... all sorts of factors

ya, not pure chlorine though

highly diluted, of course

Sure.

yeah, how about a moderate amount of rat poison like fluoride either is good for you too, riiiight

it is actually

LOL dude, you are just trolling in this <#463068752725016579> thread

Moderate amount of radiation too you know?

A moderate amount of poisons CAN be good for you. Medicines are essentially poisons. A poison is just something that interacts with the body to throw it out of balance so to speak. But when the body is already out of balance that poison can swing things back towards the middle

NOBODY says the fluoride in "moderate" amounts is good for you ... not even the dental associations, etc

But yeah I'm skeptical of fluoride being a good thing to add to the water just for the purpose of dental hygiene

they all say a SMALL amount is "safe" or at least is less unsafe than more amounts of it of course

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/moderate

a SMALL amount being "safe enough" (apparently) does not mean "moderate is good for you!"

and?

"kept or keeping within reasonable or proper limits"

if small is the reasonable amount

small is the moderate amount

I did not troll

You saying i am doesn't make it so either

i was talking "safe" ... but you were saying "good" ... theres a huge difference between the two... being "within safe amount" is less than the threshold of danger and damage... does not necessarily mean more of it is good for you like you know how like some things are GOOD things are good for you to eat more of ... its a directional issue ... more of/ less of ... compared to base amount .... good/bad .... safety/risk

i noticed that you like to slip from playing devil's advocate to borderline trolling

I said everything in moderate amounts, don't put words in my mouth now, thats rude 😦

you said that everything in moderate amounts is GOOD

yes

me: butter is good for you tho
in moderation 😋
Dr.Wol - Today at 2:25 PM
everything is

because i follow the dictionary definition of moderate, which means "reasonable or proper limits"

And if a small amount is reasonable

Small is moderate

did you not follow what i was talking about "good" vs "safe" ??

last i checked, safe is a good

If you go beyond safe levels, it tends to be bad

youre just playing word games

am i wrong though?

safe is BETTER relatively to less safe... not necessarily good if there is still an unecessary or irrational risk takign place

then we just vary on our definitions of what constitutes safe in terms of substance

"Fluoride toxicity is a condition in which there are elevated levels of the fluoride ion in the body. Although fluoride is safe for dental health at low concentrations, sustained consumption of large amounts of soluble fluoride salts is dangerous." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity

and i would argue that isn't a moderate amount anymore, when you exeed safety levels

looooooooooow concentrations .... not "good for you in moderate concentrations"

but the moderate theshold is low in this case

dude, you can do something that is BAD for you in "moderation"

alcohol for example, "safe in moderation" still BAD for your health

anyways

i gtg

alrighty then, and we'll have to disagree on that one i guess 😛

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okay maybe alcohol is a bad example bcuz 1 glass of red wine or even only 1 beer per day might be good for your health.... but smoking and other drugs though... yeah maybe "safe" in moderation, but still bad for your health such as some hard drugs

I only smoke crack recreationally.

And to help me get started with my day

And to help me get to sleep

And for social purposes

okay.... so in moderation, right? but it also comes with its side effects that could be hurting you more in the long run

depends, on stuff like crack, the moderate amount is the kind that wont get you addicted i guess? 😛

And for forgetting the side effects that are hurting me more in the long term

i mean... just rolling with your devils advocate for a min 😉 obv you dont really do that

but we'll have to shelf this discussion for another day, i don't wanna keep you here

see, thats exactly what im saying ... moderation not neccesarily good bcuz of the net risks and other externalities

Nah i do devils advocate, constantly, and yes my online personality is annoying to troll levels,
But i don't do it to just piss you off, i do take part in the debate

well thats a difference in how we percieve moderation, because to me moderate is non-negative amounts

you gotta be more honest in a true debate though

I am honest

But its a tactic, it throws people off

hope so! so you really wouldnt force vaccinate anyone against their will ACTUALLY irl, then

no 😄 i'm not a monster

see, thats whats im talking about. that was trolling. funny, but not an argument in a debate

If i'd force such things, i'd be no better than any authoritarian that says "I'm doing X against your will because its for your own good"

well, the debate was long over at that point

ya but this is a debate thread ..... why the distract tactic to "throw people off" from real arguments. that is pure sophistry

Don't expect anyone you debate to play fairly,
The influential people of the world won't

Learn to notice it so you can call such people out on it

like you did after

then why treat this as a debate thread?

to practice debating with people ofc 😄

sets a bad precedent to delve into counter-productive trolling in a "debate"thread

its not really debating though .....