obviously thinks are different now... just giving some historical perspective

LOL yeah, and battling other rival immortals to the death by decapItation ..... thus receiving MORE COSMIC LIGHTNING ENERGY DEMI-GODHOOD STRENGTH

Potential to recieve cosmic lightning energy demi-godhood lured me here,!

Whats going on?

LOL i couldnt help that

Yes i think its manslaughter to intentionally cause a woman to miscarry against her consent

thing is these days..... we have technology that can even sustain the life of a fetus before the quickening

so potentially survivable outside the womb still ..... and will be easier and easier as technology and markets evolve to becomes cheaper and more accessible

good, soon i can clone myself!

without the need of a wamen!

for real, but you'll still die one day LOL .... so iono how that would be rationally self-interested 😉

well hopefully by taht time i can use something like gene modification to be able to rebuild my genetic sequence to younger, so i can just be spawned anew 😄

Dr.Wol REBORN

HEH for real! im wif u

with a second penis ofc

jsut cuz

always funny to think about how the elites think immortality will come from simply "copying" their brain more or less into an AI system or another clone or something .... cuz all the clones or even possibly a cognitive AI one day will only THINK they are reincarnated in their new shells

well, that horror game explored that theory

But it's still increasing the length of influence 'you' have on the world

SOMA was it?

fact is.... they die. and the clones live

assuming that there cannot change their volitions or intent into their new lives

what if they end up becoming the very anti-thesis of everything you believed in?

that would be hilarious for a movie

a billionaire capitalist clones himself to escape death

so yeah... influence yes, but not the kind one would have wanted necessarily

and his clone becomes a communist 😄

One of the interesting parts of the manga 'Gantz' was when a teleporter malfunctioned and didn't delete the person's body but still recreated it elsewhere, so now they have two of the same person, and only one of them actually gets to keep their normal life

heh, exactly.... the tragic irony!

Star Trek did that story too

probably got it from them then

Commander Riker was teleported during some storm on an abandoned base

his teleportation was succesful, and backfired

so a duplicate was left on the station for years

another random debate. would it be unethical to force a clone into slavery?

yes

a clone is stil its own person

mhmmmmm 😉 of course.... would he not be human too?

he/she LOL

If it were genetically modified to have no emotions I think it would change quite a bit, but it might be hard to motivate someone like that to work

i would even argue that an GMO clone born of asexual gender type (born steril w/ no reproductive cellular presence) would still be human w/ natural rights

I think there's a fair argument for it not being human, but that if they think and feel like a human does then they deserve all the same rights

so maybe even kind of humanoids would still have human rights most likey.... natural rights that is

sociopaths arent human to you?

and really in that case I'd still want to call them human when not discussing biology

emotion is a small thing for being human

Sociopaths have emotions

psychopath then, whichever is the heartless kind

They do too

not all of them

But really what is 'human' is more about definition than anything else. There's no clear line where one animal becomes another

i'd say genetics

chromosome count

state of sentience

But how different do the genetics have to be?

Humans have variability in all of those cases

its not how different

its how similar

That's the same thing worded differently

no its not

how so?

it has more to do with intellectual capacity for complex reasoning and rationality, ability to communicate linguistically and accept moral agency, etc

if things are similar, you check for overlapping similarities

If you look at the difference, you pick a different category

It is why a whale is a mammal, and not a fish

But then vegetables aren't human(or aren't deserving of rights if that's what you mean)

that AND some common sense.... like AIs and stuff.... purely cybernetics, etc.. clearly not human (common sense)

Yeah, but similarity is just a measurement of difference where you look for smaller amounts of difference

Humans are quite similar to many animals

yes, but it narrows it down considerably

you start from the opposite end basically

true

like i said, its more about a highly evolved state of sentience (spiritual, philosophical, etc)

but either way you put it there's no clear line in how similar you have to be to still be considered a human

less about genetics per se

i'd say to the point that any sample of you can be recognised as human

say you're given a cell, and they check its chromosome count/genome etc

I mean, a dead person, is still the corpse of a human

His state of life (thus lack of sentience) doesn't discount his humanity

but evolution is often a very slow change, and what's seen as anatomically modern human today may vary from those 300 years from now

thats a way of measuring/quantifying one way out of many potential ways outside of biology

well you don't compare with humans of old, you compare to the current average human

its like uhm

We used to be the same primates as modern monkeys

But they aren't human, even though the same generation 100,000 years ago for example would be the same being

We didn't evolve from monkeys

we share a genetic ancestor with them

thats what i said

we used to be the same primates

the elite have a fantasy of splitting us down different evolutionary paths gradually with all the "soft" eugenics going on indirectly and directly

and modern monkeys used to be that same one

the elite aren't smart enough for that

like straight up Eloi/Morlocks from the Time Machine status .... more or less LOL

I wish, then atleast they'd have a plan

That's part of why I think it's not a good idea to create concrete definitions of what is human and what is not. Dehumanization is a very dangerous thing.

Also I think it's just not really possible to do with the way biology works

can an AI be human?

Depends on whether you're defining humanity by body/mind/spirit

"not a good idea to create concrete definitions" you dont think that ABSOLUTELY though right?

cuz i mean.... i love eating avocados

Personally I'd say no, but if they are of human intelligence then I'd say they deserve to be treated as humans

yes you treat them as equals, but you don't consider them human, so you do have a definition of what defines a human

Well yeah I'd be willing to say something isn't a human, but to make an exact definition of 'this is a human anything that differs is not human' is where I think it gets fuzzy and dangerous

i would say no to AI .... just like why corporations arent people ....... they would be "super" humans of a literall different physical class of humans/people

humans arent immortal

a dog isnt human, an ant isnt human

Human is a type of species