Message from @Schedrevka
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another random debate. would it be unethical to force a clone into slavery?
yes
a clone is stil its own person
mhmmmmm 😉 of course.... would he not be human too?
he/she LOL
If it were genetically modified to have no emotions I think it would change quite a bit, but it might be hard to motivate someone like that to work
i would even argue that an GMO clone born of asexual gender type (born steril w/ no reproductive cellular presence) would still be human w/ natural rights
I think there's a fair argument for it not being human, but that if they think and feel like a human does then they deserve all the same rights
so maybe even kind of humanoids would still have human rights most likey.... natural rights that is
sociopaths arent human to you?
and really in that case I'd still want to call them human when not discussing biology
emotion is a small thing for being human
Sociopaths have emotions
psychopath then, whichever is the heartless kind
They do too
not all of them
But really what is 'human' is more about definition than anything else. There's no clear line where one animal becomes another
i'd say genetics
chromosome count
state of sentience
Humans have variability in all of those cases
its not how different
its how similar
That's the same thing worded differently
no its not
how so?
it has more to do with intellectual capacity for complex reasoning and rationality, ability to communicate linguistically and accept moral agency, etc
if things are similar, you check for overlapping similarities
If you look at the difference, you pick a different category
It is why a whale is a mammal, and not a fish
But then vegetables aren't human(or aren't deserving of rights if that's what you mean)
that AND some common sense.... like AIs and stuff.... purely cybernetics, etc.. clearly not human (common sense)
Yeah, but similarity is just a measurement of difference where you look for smaller amounts of difference
Humans are quite similar to many animals
yes, but it narrows it down considerably
you start from the opposite end basically
true
like i said, its more about a highly evolved state of sentience (spiritual, philosophical, etc)
but either way you put it there's no clear line in how similar you have to be to still be considered a human
less about genetics per se
i'd say to the point that any sample of you can be recognised as human
say you're given a cell, and they check its chromosome count/genome etc
I mean, a dead person, is still the corpse of a human
His state of life (thus lack of sentience) doesn't discount his humanity