Because while they could quit and be ok financially, their passive wealth generation isnt at the point where it can replace their career

I think maybe doctors are upper middle class an then factory workers are lower upper class. However high up doctors can be lower upper class and even higher

Jeff Bezos

Maybe middle upper class

Saudi oil barons

The royal family

Elon musk more convinces the government to give him money than actually make it these days

Xi xing ping is kinda an emperor trying to reign in capitalism

He’ll die if he keeps it up

Work is a requirement pretty much its just how and what you do

And what your ancestors did

In the royals cases

He's upper middle class in income and by the traditional mercantile ways of capitalism (he can spend freely on stuff that doesn't matter and probably has a nice savings account). If he started as a car salesman and isn't degreed or rub elbows with the right people he's lower class by the rising Brahmins of American society in the Media, Academia, Hollywood and the government.

Basically, he's probably wealthy enough to buy anything he really wants within reason, but not so wealthy he could not work (or if he did, he'd lose alot of his current lifestyle). Upper middle class.

But that's not much respect these days for some reason. I can't put my finger on it, but I feel like there's an attitude on the rise that cares more about saying the right things and being in the right circles more than individual success. And it's taking over the cultural and political centers.

Upper class is where you can just take a vacation whenever you want and live in a nice house with a nice car.

Extreme uppre class is when you can just luxury spend on whatever you may want.

Working or not working comes down more to what you are willing to live on.

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Proposition: the new division politically will not be economics. It will be on the nation and local control versus global control and institutions.

The result is that all this "I'm center left, I'm center right" everyone keeps saying on this server isn't going to matter as much in 6 years.

Agree or disagree?

On this server? Agree. I don't think there's much changing minds going on here as we tend to agree on a lot of stuff.

But on other servers you can get some people to think differently.

Still it's not enough to sway much.

@pratel I disagree. For half of society it will be that and I believe the other half it’ll be class warfare

Interesting proposition. Why?

I think that democracies (atleast in the US) tend to factionalize along some kind of pole, even if the pole is inaccurate.

Took me a moment to realize what you meant

I’ve heard lots of people, centrists, leftists and people on the right actually say that a world government would be beneficial (If done correctly). But I though htf are we going to govern the Middle East

Yeah, alot of people are kinda utopian. I actually don't like left/right dichotomies. I think it's oversimplifying everything.

It would have to be extremely authoritarian.

And even then it won't work.

I don't know.

If you think in terms of the local communication networks people tended to have in most of history. There was a single dominant power.

"Alexander the Great conquered the world"

People used to be more similar thousands of years ago.

Authoritarian, maybe. I could see it devolving into that.

Easier to co-exist.

Last I checked, they tended to get involved in endless warfare.

Obviously but still people had similar beliefs. There were also less people so things were easier to control.

Less people to implement the control though.

Plus, we have computers and the internet now.

Your cell phone knows *exactly* where you are right now.

It might even know what you're doing at the moment.

And that information **isn't** just sitting on your phone.

Anyone into history here?

I think people can be free from disgusting tribalism and be free to live as individuals

To reflect god in all their actions and truly become the highest personification of what a man can be

To use this reason and intellect to move forward

What sect of Christianity u from?

The one that takes responsibility for their own actions

Ok?

Please clarify

Christianity is as infinitely fragmented as the individual themselves although gather together is important the individual relationship with god and deepening of ones own understanding is the goal

Do you have your own sect then?

Kinda

Makes sense. A lot of the current ones are far from perfect

I love beauty, truth, justice

Hate lying and sin

I saw that

Me 3

It was really bad. Didn't come out nearly as funny as I thought it would.

Forget it. I shouldn't have said it.

Gtg sleep

I believe in very basic terms that man is a reflection of god man continually runs from their rights and responsibilities I strive to not run but to be a reflection of the almighty

I kinda like it.

This is your own personal sect?

It’s what I think is the best of christianity

Note I think that I am only capable of doing this because of god but theres a whole lot in the bible all very important and much hard to understand

I've been saying for a while now, that I think the poles have shifted. We find ourselves aligning with people like Tim Pool and the like not due to the left/right definition, but due to authoritarian/libertarian differences.

It's a portion of the reason why people on the Libertarian side of things are finding themselves in agreement.

One of the key differences between Authoritarianism and Libertarianism is that Authoritarians want to bring about cultural change through policy, and Libertarians would rather see policy enforced by culture.

As per Globalization vs. Localization, that might be an interesting division point to bring up.

That seems to mean a lot more than an economic left/right sort of division.

I have trouble even trying to grasp the key differences on scale between what we call on a political compass 'Left' and 'Right'. It seems inaccurate as it stands.

same

and im struggling to understand why left libertarians are below the authoritarian line considering how much they usually want to regulate the market

Well, in that regard, it kind of makes sense.

You can believe in regulation of markets, but not of people.

no
markets are people

People who work in them are.

economics is another word for human action

But the corporations are not people in and of themselves.

i agree the legal definition is false, but they are a group of people ultimately

its not the building making decisions, its the people within it

a brand cant pick up a pen and write a signature on a form

You're going to have to expound on that 'Economics' synonym.

I think I'm going to challenge you on it...

economics is a description of the results of people interacting with eachother when they trade value

Alright, that's a more sound definition than I was expecting...

It's just horseshoe theory in action. As you reach 'maximum liberty' you allow for others to build up their authority, or you do so yourself to force everyone to live in the way you envision as 'free'.

I still disagree with it vaguely, but not strongly enough to argue it.

I think I see a solution to this situational quagmire in what I call personal data corporations.

You basically start a surveillance company that studies everything about you, creates a singular data resource, and parcels out data for profit.

That sounds terrifying.

Orwell inside out, yep

my point is, if you regulate a minimum wage for example, it means you're gonna have to send cops with guns after employers when they make agreements with workers to pay for a certain amount. the policy have to be enforced against human beings. and those human beings may not necessarily have a problem working for below minimum wage, if it makes the difference between doing something and doing nothing.

but decentralization is the only way to defang the viper in question.

I suppose it's better than the fine print surveillance we submit to on a daily basis...

either take control of your data, or someone else will

if it's a corporate resource.... whole new set of laws if someone messes with it.

expensive laws.

I'm less concerned with Minimum Wage matters in regulation.