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2018-06-04 16:38:59 UTC

It's principle.

2018-06-04 16:39:12 UTC

@RyeNorth its not exactly a direct form of democracy as not everyone gets the same number of votes.

2018-06-04 16:39:42 UTC

You earn your influence based on value added to the community

2018-06-04 16:40:10 UTC

You lose influence as penalty for crimes.

2018-06-04 16:40:23 UTC

yes, but it takes a community to then undo just one of your vote choices should you change stances.

2018-06-04 16:41:11 UTC

its direct democracy until you have been voted all the power

2018-06-04 16:41:17 UTC

in other words

2018-06-04 16:41:51 UTC

the only difference is that community can easily just vote you out

2018-06-04 16:42:12 UTC

Capitalism doesn't end in straight dictatorship unless it's been undermined

2018-06-04 16:42:37 UTC

If it has been, it moves towards corporatism

2018-06-04 16:43:03 UTC

Which, incidentally, is what we're in early to mid stages of now.

2018-06-04 16:43:28 UTC

#notrealcapitalism

2018-06-04 16:44:06 UTC

"yay, they know karate"

2018-06-04 16:44:18 UTC

mid stages? i'd say anything not in full blown socialism right now is in full blown cronyism

2018-06-04 16:45:12 UTC

As long as corporations are able to influence laws to reduce competition, we need vigilance.

2018-06-04 16:46:00 UTC

i love people who are like "corporations control the laws, **we need more laws**" like ummm hello, who did you just say makes those laws?

2018-06-04 16:47:29 UTC

Like, today I found out that in Texas has a licensing process for AC technicians that requires you work for an already licensed company for four years.

2018-06-04 16:47:46 UTC

That shit needs to get abolished

2018-06-04 16:48:07 UTC

wut

2018-06-04 16:48:14 UTC

Yup

2018-06-04 16:48:17 UTC

Corporations control the laws, We need more laws to control corporations
Racists run the government, We need more laws to control the racists
The government is fascists, Only the government should control guns

etc etc

2018-06-04 16:48:27 UTC

Texas, people, get on this.

2018-06-04 16:48:37 UTC

Mmhmm

2018-06-04 16:48:42 UTC

It's happening.

2018-06-04 16:49:01 UTC

was this like trying to bring back trade jobs? like stupid trump and his tariffs?

2018-06-04 16:49:25 UTC

"lets make this a law, that way they are forced to bring on apprentices"

2018-06-04 16:49:28 UTC

That sort of thing means that if you want to open your own company,you're required to work for your competiton.

2018-06-04 16:49:49 UTC

Throw in a non-compete and the protectionism is complete.

2018-06-04 16:50:15 UTC

"oh wait, it only punishes competition? who would have guessed laws hurt competition"

2018-06-04 16:50:43 UTC

Riiiiigh...?

2018-06-04 16:52:35 UTC

Yeah, I'm not one of those that thinks more government fixes this.

2018-06-04 16:53:23 UTC

Judges ruling against excessive, prohibitive licensing fixes this, maybe.

2018-06-04 16:53:57 UTC

Abolitionist movements in state Congress fixes this.

2018-06-04 16:57:24 UTC

People are too focused on employee rights, though,when there needs to be more focus on entrepreneurship

2018-06-04 16:58:01 UTC

Otherwise we wind up all working for Wal Mart

2018-06-04 17:06:18 UTC

what a fucking way to start up pride month

2018-06-04 17:06:23 UTC

LMAO

2018-06-04 17:06:27 UTC

I didn't see this

2018-06-04 17:06:44 UTC

repost? anyone know what happened?

2018-06-04 17:07:29 UTC

antifa is dumb, more at 11

2018-06-04 17:07:34 UTC

well yeah

2018-06-04 17:07:38 UTC

all I know is gays are now being refused cakes

2018-06-04 17:07:42 UTC

but violence again, its been a while

2018-06-04 17:07:59 UTC

I know right? Gays need their cakes too

2018-06-04 17:10:16 UTC

ty lex luthor

2018-06-04 17:10:23 UTC

taking fourty cakes from the LGBT community

2018-06-04 17:10:23 UTC

@LotheronPrime the weather is getting warm, just like tim predicted.

2018-06-04 17:10:33 UTC

probably

2018-06-04 17:12:16 UTC

I'm willing to bet if they walked in somewhere, bought a cake, and didn't make a big deal about it nobody would give a shit.

2018-06-04 17:12:23 UTC

bingo

2018-06-04 17:12:53 UTC

remember, it was basically because the bakery wouldn't deliver the cake and be part of the ceremony... they said they'd sell them a cake...

2018-06-04 17:13:05 UTC

but that wasn't "good enough"

2018-06-04 17:13:13 UTC

Heh

2018-06-04 17:14:35 UTC

They also shouldn't be obligated to facilitate any special orders

2018-06-04 17:14:44 UTC

is that really the case? i thought they cited that making the cake would make them part of the ceremony, which is why they refused. idk, maybe i didn't research enough. too much effort when the answer doesn't require knowing the reason of why

2018-06-04 17:14:50 UTC

'One commissioner in particular, Justice Kennedy wrote, had crossed the line in saying that โ€œfreedom of religion and religion has been used to justify all kinds of discrimination throughout history, whether it be slavery, whether it be the Holocaust.โ€'

2018-06-04 17:14:51 UTC

PFFFFFFFFT

2018-06-04 17:14:53 UTC

OH

2018-06-04 17:14:53 UTC

WOW

2018-06-04 17:14:57 UTC

And be allowed to sell the bride and groom toppers in pairs.

2018-06-04 17:15:23 UTC

YOU WON'T BAKE THESE FAGS A CAKE? LITERAL NAZI

2018-06-04 17:15:52 UTC

Oh shit! Did he seriously call that baker the moral equivalent of a nazi?

2018-06-04 17:16:06 UTC

well that's the direct quote from a state commissioner

2018-06-04 17:16:09 UTC

it's not direct

2018-06-04 17:16:13 UTC

but it's pretty evident

2018-06-04 17:16:15 UTC

that's what they meant

2018-06-04 17:16:34 UTC

"Phillips takes exceptional care with
each cake that he createsโ€”sketching the design out on
paper, choosing the color scheme, creating the frosting and
decorations, baking and sculpting the cake, decorating it,
and delivering it to the wedding. Examples of his creations
can be seen on Masterpieceโ€™s website."

2018-06-04 17:16:56 UTC

that pesky first amendment, with its freedom of religion.

2018-06-04 17:17:01 UTC

lets just ban religion!

2018-06-04 17:17:40 UTC

ah, so he wouldn't sell them the cake. he'd sell them A cake, but not a wedding cake.

2018-06-04 17:17:45 UTC

yes

2018-06-04 17:18:45 UTC

also โ€œplace of business engaged in any sales to the public"

.... so all businesses? how does a business sell to someone who is not the public?>

2018-06-04 17:18:50 UTC

only to other businesses?

2018-06-04 17:18:59 UTC

yes

2018-06-04 17:19:01 UTC

there are those

2018-06-04 17:19:24 UTC

Frankly, government should just be like 'does not compute' the moment wedding comes up

2018-06-04 17:19:25 UTC

there's a nursery around the corner not open to the public

2018-06-04 17:19:42 UTC

(trees)

2018-06-04 17:19:57 UTC

but like, doesn't that mean the companies that supply the bakery could opt not to supply the bakery because the bakery sold to gay people?

2018-06-04 17:20:05 UTC

yup

2018-06-04 17:20:14 UTC

what is the point of this law? why specify public when that is basically everyone.

2018-06-04 17:20:24 UTC

any company should be allowed to choose who they do business with

2018-06-04 17:20:42 UTC

i know, but even the people who made the law didn't really do anyhting

2018-06-04 17:20:53 UTC

Let's just abolish legal definition of marriage entirely.

2018-06-04 17:20:58 UTC

^

2018-06-04 17:21:00 UTC

i like that one

2018-06-04 17:21:17 UTC

Whether gay people get married or not is the churches problem

2018-06-04 17:21:34 UTC

fuck, its the couples problem

2018-06-04 17:21:45 UTC

Govt should deal in unions.

2018-06-04 17:21:52 UTC

who gives anyone else the authority to decide if you can call someone a husband or wife?

2018-06-04 17:21:58 UTC

Everyone is entitled to one.

2018-06-04 17:22:25 UTC

why is the government involved at all?

2018-06-04 17:22:41 UTC

Instead of playing the one-upmanship game, find a new game.

2018-06-04 17:22:50 UTC

get the government out of my bedroom.

2018-06-04 17:23:19 UTC

no union, no marriage license, i get to decide who my partner is.

2018-06-04 17:24:31 UTC

The tax benefits of what's currently called marriage are important

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