they'd know the policies the MSM claims they have

"these far-right youtubers and their policies of "pro gay marriage" and "anti-racism for anyone""

we both know they wouldnt phrase it like that

they'd lie by omission

they would be given a platform tho.. so its not like they can lie and get away with it like normal

sure they can

the last 3 years showed that

MSM can say what they want with impunity

but they'd phrase it like

it doesnt matter if they lie... in fact THATS BETTER

"These far-right members, who were at the head of former anti-women rights campaigns"

Anbd what has happened over the last 3 years? A massive drop in confidance in the MSM. Even amongst the normies.

"and anti-migrant refugee"

because they have to be given a platform.. at least on BBC ... which means they will be able to say.. thats not my beleif

over the last 3 years, the media has been telling what they want, regardless of truth, and although fortunately many (any growing) have caught on
Theres always a good portion that doesn't

yeah.. when was the last time trump was on CNN ... its not the same over here... they have to be given a platform

and still people like Nigel Farage are vilified

thats why fargage is always on TV debating "left"-media

yes, but we both know the media still proceeds to tell lies etc, and the problem is that theres still large groups who believe it

over-villifying farage got him 4million votes

12.6% of the country

from nothing

the over-villifying of him.. plus his platform on BBC helped him

true,

But It would've been a lot more if the media was telling the truth

also 4 million votes is 6% of the UK population

65 million in UK since 2016 according to internet

actually.. Im not sure about that... if anything.. it might have hurt him... at least over here... people like an underdog against what is obvioulsy bias.... if there was no bias - people might actually start to dislike him

12.6% of the voting public

aah right

and im not sure about the underdog thing

I mean, underdog is always a favorite for many people

But theres a difference between underdog and rethoric equal to: "this man wants to enslave colored people"

@wacka I'm going to have to dosagree there. If there was an open honest convocation about UKIP I think they would of doen much better. Ppl are afraid of being called racist.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-policy-separating-children-border-cbp-dhs-2018-6

I guess we could jail the children with their parents.

i always wonder about the whole separate parent-child thing... like.. if I had children... and they were in Mexico... I wouldn't ask the government to bring them to me... I would go to fricken Mexico and get my kids :S

but it said a process within 48 hours

One concern is that the adult accompanying the child may or may not actually be the parent.

It's not like they cross the border with documentation.

Like they don't cross with birth certificates and passports because that kinda defeats the purpose.

not to mention who'd leave a child with a CRIMINAL 😏

So you could potentially be locking up a minor with someone who might abuse them.

yeah , no ducmentation is a huge problem... and the gov still has to "send them back" so they spend a fortune trying to find out who they are

Like a 13 year old girl being locked up with an adult man that has no relation to them but is only claiming to have a relation to them because they think it'll get them sympathy or make it more likely that they'll be allowed to stay.

my mother often has to deal with the flights to send people to germany and india... we spend and absolute fortune sending illegals to other countries

The very simple solution is to not let in people who have no documentation, and have every country do the same.

too much hassle,

Just turn them into pig food

So if someone gets caught near the Mexican border who cannot quickly verify that they are American, just boot them over to the Mexican side. If the Mexican government claims they aren't Mexican, then the solution to that problem would be for Mexico to enforce the borders with Guatemala and Belize the exact same way.

gotta subsidise the production of burgers

There's no logical reason why the US taxpayer has to spend a year or two housing and feeding people who are obviously not American citizens. If you only speak Spanish, were found wandering in the desert near the border, have no identification and are unable to provide any information that would verify your identity and citizenship, and cannot provide any contact information to someone who might, then the logical conclusion is that you're not American.

So what about towns on the Mexican border? Boot someone out mowing their lawn because they didn't pull out a birth certificate in 2 nanoseconds even if they were born here to a 3rd generation American?

Strawman.

hyperbole

what counts as documentation? a drivers license? pretty sure in some states they can get that even if they are illegal. Birth Certificate or other documentation? if they are smart they have it in a safe or better yet a safety deposit box. SSN? hope they have it memorized and don't get nervous or mister power-trip is gonna boot you into another country with no passport and you just hope you can make it to the nearest US embassy before being shot or dying of dehydration.

better solution, just turn the Mexican and Canadian borders into DMZs like NK and SK have.

Works for me.

good, you gonna pay for it?

But seriously, if you get picked up wandering in the fucking desert with absolutely nothing to prove your identity, and you can't speak English, and you can't even refer to where you live let alone prove that you actually live there, it makes no sense for the default stance to be that you are an American citizen.

Roleplay the scenario with me

have you met the average person at the border?

You're a policeman

most of those shits aren't english speaking

You meet someone wandering in the desert

You have no more information than that. They're in the desert miles away from anything. No parked cars, no homes within walking distance.

maybe they got kidnapped and dropped in the desert

OK, great. So you greet them and ask them if they're OK. They start running.

you have no ID and a cop comes for you, and the law says if you can't identify you're being shipped

wouldn't YOU run?

No, I'd say "Hi officer, can I get a ride home?"

"I live at XXX main street"

These people can't even get that far.

gonna be a nice business, "alibi" homes for trafficing people

yeah Ive been stopped by police 3 times walkin down the street and never had ID on me

OK, that might work 2-3 times. Not 2-3 million times.

I just give them my first and middle name

walking down the street is different from walking across the rio grande.

so what if you got REALLY drunk?

Millions of alcoholics. Sure.

I dont really drink

None of whom can speak english or have wallets.

you're drunk, you can't speak english cuz you just "swhush shwah?

and that propstitute you hired familiarised herself with yoru wallet 6 hours ago

If you're drunk to the point of incoherence and are wandering in the desert far away from civilization with no wallet I'd take you down to the station until you sobered up. Just for your safety.

Maybe the US should implement the Indian system of an authorised citizenship ID card

Why is it that you have to invent all these ridiculous reasons as to why millions of people find themselves innocently wandering in the desert?

We haven't had too many problems with illegal immigrants since

millions of reasons? this is my average saturday

A two layer fence would cut down at least half of immigration, tbh

just make them into food, keep it simple and productive for your own country 😦

A physical barrier is a partial solution. Heavy fines for anyone employing them is another.

Well...What if the employer didn't know?

@Atkins not all of the US-Mexican border is desert. If you are making policy its not the desert that should concern you, because that is probably not the place the policy will really be tested. its in the towns that are on or basically cross the border. Where the extremes of the law will be put to the test.

correction: empty desert

Most illegals have convincing documents

there is a not small number of illegals that enter legally and overstay their welcome too

do we pay for a police force whos only job is to hunt down owners of expired visas?

there is probably an easier way to get 0 illegal immigration... make america not a place people want to immigrate to. which means being worse that mexico

i doubt NK has many illegal immigrates

mass restrictions for undocumented people, like no welfare, jobs must be registered etc

You already have to have a SSN to get a job.

And you're supposed to demonstrate citizenship to get welfare, medicare, social security, etc.

Otherwise the entire planet could hypothetically show up and get government bennies.

unless its commiefornia