AT THE SAME RATE

unless

you think the "system" is racist

if you think this

@Aghost im incliend to disagree with the claim that committing a crime meaning someone is guilty in thesense of being in the wrong per se.

please just fucking say it, stop dancing around the issue

Guilty, actually committing the crime

Incarnation, imprisoned

Not the same thing

blacks commit more crime on average (including incarceration imprisonment etc etc etc)
than asians. In the US.

anyone dissagree with this?

So we can not use the statistic of incarceration by race to prove blacks commit more crimes

Personally, I think they do

ofcourse they do

OFCOURSE

blacks commit more crime on average

But that statistic doesn't PROVE IT

For instance, im pretty sure if using gods name in vain became a crime none of us would condemn atheists for their high crimerate

What evidence do you have?

CRIME RATE

Cody is implying that their crime rates are lower than they appear because if systemic racism which causes blacks to be disproportionally charged with crimes they didnt commit. Which is a problem but not nearly enough to skew statistics THAT much

Actually I wasnt

@Maddie yeah thats exactly what im saying too
but cody is too much of a pussy to admit to this

But thanks maddie

Yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLiTUHkSxrQ still waiting for my ejaculation emoji

You ruined my argument

Its obv thats what he was dancing around

"but but but... muh incarceration hueufheufhuehfuehfehf"

why the fuck would SJWs want in to the unicode consortium?

@Maddie its not

I was not actually thinking that

muh incarceration rates

u where cody! stop lying!! cody1!! come on!!!

clearly defining your terms is not dancing around anything

I am simply stating that incarceration rates are not PROOF of higher black crime rates

Cody!!! WE COULD BE FRIENDS AND CHANGE THE WORLD
but instead... you choose to act this way


sad, and dissapoint

@Cody how would you prove a black person did a crime?
what stat would you go to? where would you find this?

Punks, you get what I am say atleast right?

It seems you do

yeah

That is my point aghost

everyone knows this already, incarceration rates =/= crime rates
but it doesnt do anything for your argument
thats what you dont understand

My argument?

That was exactly my argument

your argument is applied wrong

https://giant.gfycat.com/GraveHappygoluckyAlaskajingle.webm

maybe you understand it now

I never claimed anything else

trump will slay you all

im just trying to explain to you, that your argument doesnt counter my argument in any way

@Samaritan nah. trump, while misguided, will not slay me

ye he will slay ur mom

hes doing manygreat things

Yes it does, you used incarceration rates to say, "Blacks commit more crime on average."

such as creating more jobs for women

Except incarceration doesnt prove this

That was my only point

@Cody you are saying:
"well, pitbulls arent more dangerous than other dogs... i mean... it could be that pitbull owners reported it wrong"

thats ur argument

Tfw 4 more years of trump ruining canadas economy with retarded tarrifs because the dems are completely incompetent

What?

No

I believe the incarceration rates are correct

boo hoo canada

True @Maddie

That would take a massive retard to mess that one up by more than a few people

@Aghost pitbulls actualy arent more dangerous. The opposite is the case, they are bread to be easier to train.

good for US dairy farmers

Bread 😅

Good for us steel production

Because you guys tariff our steel and aluminum

I am just saying that incarceration rates do not PROVE guilt

@Cody bread, bread, breadroll

@Redneo and because they are easier to train, they get trained more + idiots like the appeal of the pitbull for that reason and train them

as a result, the avg pitbull is more agressive than other dogs, and gets in more dangerous situations than other dogs. resulting in more harm to its surroundings
MAKING IT MORE DANGEROUS

and we have bedrolled

pretty good indicator if someones in jail they are guilty of something

The funny thing is that the tariff war is hurting the us as much as it is canada

long term its good for US

“If i shoot myself in the foot and piss off my next door neighbour , long term this is a plus”

good for other countries too, allows them to cut the inefficacy out of the market

Samaritan, that is not true

ye it is

Being in jail does not mean guilt

Plenty of innocent people get convicted

maybe if you areon remand or something

even then

why are you in court

And being in "jail" doesn't even mean you were convicted at all

not that many innocent people go to joil

In fact

ye you can be in jail on remand

but why are you on remand

Incarceration, can be used for people who are still in trial

no shit

jits called remand

99% if you are held on remand you will be convicted

Because, of plea bargaining

@Cody
where do you get the crime rate statistics from?

tho?

this is a stupid convocation

And the fact that your are guilty unless proven innocent these days

@Cody or, where would you like someone to get their crime stats from?

or do you only think , there are no crime stats?

"Being in prison doesn't indicate guilt"

lol

@Samaritan yeah, it doesnt

pretty much does though

Wait what?

plenty of innocent people are convicted even

when you look at the stats

No it doesn't

yer it does

Punks, it ain't even that

most people in prison are convicted of crimes

@Cody or, where would you like someone to get their crime stats from?
or do you only think , there are no crime stats?

People still in trial can be incarcerated

@Samaritan and a conviction means guilt since when?

They aren't even found guilty yet

I think you guys are retarded

can blacks be guilty? cody?

Yes

or not?

where would you like someone to get their crime stats from?
or do you only think , there are no crime stats?

I already told you

no you didnt

just piont me to some database

PLEASE

just the raw stats

come on! DO IT

MAKE ME PROUD

@Aghost how about the department of justice?

shut up punks

CODY NEEDS TO ANSWER IT

COME ON CODY

IM ROOTING FOR YOU

DO IT

So by crime rates? Are you talking incarceration rates

retards

YO UCAN DO IT

CRIME RATES

CRIME RATES

DO IT CODYH

Cause agian, we csnt prove for certain that a person commited a crime

HAHAA GOTCHA

GOTCHA CODY

THAS ALL YOU HAD TO SAY

All we have are conviction rates

TO SHOW UR BIAS

WELL DONE

?

what bias has he shown?

a bias for due process?

so, if someon is convicted of a crime

we still dont really know if h did it?

I can show you conviction rates?

you guys are trolling eachother

If that's what you mean

how would we go about finding out the crime rate

@Aghost we also dont know that people who were never incarcerated or convicted didnt commit acrime, either.

Cody thinks it cant be done

"we are not sure, therefor whatever!" nice arguments

You cant estimate crime rates

But unless you at the seen of EVERY SINGLE CRIME and recorded it

"yeah the incarceration rate of blacks i like... 10 times higher... but that doesnt mean they are more criminal ... i mean... what if they made an error"

t.cody

And know EVERY SINGLE GUILTY criminal

"nobody knows... really"

@Aghost thats not what he was saying.

it is what he is saying

in essence

no

the main point i think was use convictions not incarceration rate

Then how do you prove crime rates

how many shark attacks are there each year?
- "well nobody knows, sometimes its not a shark, its ... some other fish. so we cant be sure" t.cody

Wha other metric would you use

Conviction is a closer judge of crime rates

Still not 100%

But way better than incarceration rates

but

you think the crime ratee, is something that can never be known?

like quantum physics

all people who commit crimes are criminals

Incarceration is used for anyone in prison

Or in jail

but what are you trying to say

Im sure male feminists have high incarceration rates, too. In that case there is a quite obvious reason for false incarceration (while rapists probably would also be attracted to feminism)

You could still be awaiting trial

Which means you have not been FOUND guilty yet

but they are criminals... right?
unless something went wrong with the process?

ye 99% chance they did something

so you are ... leaning on an error? to prove that blacks arent really that criminal?

or something?

ur argument is really really weak

No, a criminal is someone who is found GUILTY of a crime

@Aghost actualy, no. its not uncommon to be incarcerated at least till the bail hearing

its valid, but weak

@Redneo but to be incarcerated, you'd have to be arrested right?

@Aghost yes.

Doesnt mean you are GUILTY

pretty much deos though

but thats true for ALL RACES

when you look at the stats

that was my point

To be a CRIMINAL, you must be FOUND GUILTY of committing a CRIME

the error in incarceration to guilty rate
is probably the same in all races (roughly)

ye and you most likely are if you are int he system

UNLESS

you think the courts are biased, and racist and shit

but i dont think you have ANY evidence for that

@Aghost no. The courts? Whats that to do with the courts? You dont even see a court prior to incarceration

I do not think that

ok

Aghost, you honestly do not know how our justice system works

@Aghost nor does a court write a warrant prior to arrest unless you are arrested at home or somethingrather than on a crimescene or a potential crimescene

so do you think the incarceration to guilty rate of blacks is significantly different than other races?

you can be convicted of a crime and never go to jail

@Samaritan that, too

Based on race, I do not know

the point is, the FBI has convenient statistics on the conviction. Why would you bother with incarceration rates?

But I know for a fact that the incarceration rate to guilty rate is so different

The justice system only takes cases it knows it can win to trial

@Cody thats true, i was asking for a crime rate. not any incarceration rate, or any of ur justice system shit.
im talking about the rate of people that do crime, based on race.
we have these stats over here, i know you have those stats over there.

thats all

WIN, does not mean that the person commited it

i dont care about the incarceration rate... technically

Which is why conviction rates are not a perfect fit for crime rates either

we should chip and tag all US citizens

so how do you measure crime cody

it seems like you are unable to do it

The only for sure crime rates, are rates based on types of crime, or crime locations

if we asked you : which country has less crime

you couldnt give an answer

Yes, but it could only be REPORTED crime

well

As long you say that

what

reported crime

as opposed to?

unreported crime?

what?

dafuck are you talking about

Crimes are not always reported, so it could get ignored

what other types of crime?

what

Even the ucr states this

crime stats, are ALWAYS about reported crime

you cant have a stat, unless its reported

What's this...

https://youtu.be/EWjC_mrucY4

so you have reported crime?
what other types are there?

So the answer is yes

1 Reported Crime
2 Unreported Crime
3 ???

Because CRIME NUMBERS is an actual thing you can count