I think it is time to elect Vermin Supreme

look weak or have a nuke at your throat.......... i bet he goes weak

if he doesnt get ousted

almost all cases of the eastern powers being difficult is meant to be a sign of strength

there comes a point where russia would have a response of their own

and we wont touch russia

if "their guy"

was found out

Nah, they'd just take sanctions, and then dodge them with 3rd parties

and everything will be the same again

how strong will putin appear to russia at that point

his own party would kick him out

cant nuke them and invading russia never works unless you are the mongols

or hand him over to avoid war

they wuoldn't hand him over

cuz thats a sign to each other that they're weak, and could just be next the next time the US would make demands

i think you way overestimate their allegience to putin

you can only sanction the russians so much

its not allegiance to putin at all

But if 10 people are all willing to sell the otehr 9 out

they'd have no trust to work togetehr

he is really popular

so the first one to become the "leader" would execute the other 9 cuz they can't be trusted anymore

cuz they sold Putin out too

its possible

i cant really say one way or the other

i would like to think the russian people would come into play at some point, but cant really count on them doing much

awww yes the purge of leadership

well if they get caught, he likely will be brought up on some international charges... at least i would think? i am not really sure how that would work

but this is all just supposing that there is something there

i dont really think there is

i think the groups posting the ads are the most they will come up with

if they got caught, Russia would get sanctions, which they then dodge with a 3rd party

And the same masses that believe the establishment from "non-russia" countries would be content cuz Muh russia gotting dem sanctions!

which... anyone can buy ads

international charges are useless

im not sure i follow that last line Doc

trying to

Russia gets sanctions that don't actually work

the West citizens will be happy cuz Russia is being "punished"

No war, Neither side ultimately loses

i see what you mean now ok

Its a very old game played in the modern world

agreed

you pretend to punish them, and they just go "ow, noooo stop, we're the bad"

and you secretly high-five under the table

so if there was meddeling, i WOULD like to see something more than just sanctions. i agree they are just a lip service type punishment

but what would be the proper punishment

putin in jail would be one to me

but thats just one thing

there isn't really one, I'd guess the best punishment would be a formal apology and monetary payment made

I died a little bit inside when I heard use a Swiss army knife to install computer components

Russia paying the US a few billions

And everyone moves on

meh thats another non punishment punishment though

nah, you actually benefit that way

cuz its a one-way benefit

nah nothing benifits me lol

well the US state would get it, and they'd give it to mexicans 😛

it would just go to the def budget

but the problem with Sanctions is how they work "We wont trade with you" So you stop your own trade too

Meaning both sides lose from it, one just more than others

would be cool if we used that money to make a better election system, but i wont hold my breath for that

and through 3rd parties you can just resume those deals, albeit a bit strained cuz the 3rd parties gain some money from it too

ya just the drug dealers middle men at that pont

so, ok, lets put punishment to the side for a sec

we need a better election system in this country. a more hardened system

people could hack our voter machines with a TI-85 if they wanted too

they are such garbage devices i wouldnt let my mom use one if it was donated

what would you suggest though?

Paper ballots can be falsified too

oh hell no

i mean we need new devices all together

ones that cannot be found just connecting to the local wifi of the library

something that connects directly to a larger database to tally the votes

and who's gonna pay for those machines?

well, this is one of those things that the government SHOULD pay for

the fed

its to secure the elections of the country

yes but government doesn't have their own money

Government money is Taxpayer money

i think thats a pretty easy sell

i dont think you will find too many tax payers that disagree we need better voting machines

and they sure as hell wont use money from other budgets

They'll demand to increase taxes to pay for it, and people wont do it

maybe some will squabble on who pays for them

but that should be pretty easily worked into the budget

let me look that up, im not sure who buys them currently, im assuming the state

oh wow maybe the county level, no wonder some of the places have craptastic devices

besides

the higher-ups of neither side want to change the machines

cuz they need an excuse for why they didn't win

ok here we go

Most of the country replaced voting equipment in the mid-2000s, with the help of federal HAVA funds

so its not out of the relm of possibilities

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/election-costs.aspx

if you want to see where i got that

voting equipment towards the bottom

but the state still got to pick the machines used

so to me, seems like we need a fed funded non retail machine for this

stop using dells lol

I believe you, Im just saying that theres not enough push for it because the ones at the top dont want better,
The average government doesn't want to spend money,
and the average joe doesn't wanna pay more in taxes for it

well your first like was correct

no one wants to fix the problem because they are all hoping they can exploit it when its their turn

yes

besides, any system can be cracked

ya but the degree of difficulty is an issue

currrently i could probably pick 5 counties right now here in nc

and i bet you money i could just guess the admin PW for those machines