I was not going that route @LotheronPrime

very near sighted since it basically means if healthcare is too expensive for even business to offer then no one gets a job and they cannot afford anything

but that is socialists for you

only care about the feels now, damn the future

yeah I think it should be separated from a job

but at least he was up front about a hard fact of his doctrine

yup

I think his numbers are off

I don't think it's one of those things that can accurately be calculated anyway

I want to point out what I was saying earlier, most people might believe that a doctor ought to be paid something like 90k a year, but why?

I think the market should decide that

like 10 years of college

if they don't make 90k a year they will be in debt forever

lmao

given enough Drs it would be 90K right? oversimplification, but I'm sure it would

Given the current market though

exactly grenade

and universities are almost for-profit now and those costs have spiraled

But what are the consequences of a doctor making 90k

not to mention the ones that ARE for-profit

Where does the money come from?

It annoys me how long people let this shit go.

too bad most doctors don't make near what they probably should, and the hospital "admins" get a shit ton of money for sitting around telling doctors to take care of rich patients and fuck the poor

"Ah yeah, colleges get more expensive over time! That's just HOW IT IS! DEAL WITH IT, YOUNG CHILD! XD"

you guys ever heard of royal pains?

Like there isn't gonna be fallout that hurts them also.

No one petitions ANYTHING that isn't their immediate problem.

Makes me sick.

Ultimately the people paying for the debt of college students is most of society

Yep. Yep..

Someone who has high debt has to make more money and the way making more money works is by charging customers more

i mean, given how much tax money is basically given away to colleges without accountability that is a given

true

but this is a who came first situation

did industries that needed highly trained people come first, requiring expensive college degrees. or did expensive college degrees come, then they made expensive industries

Why do people feed this monster "Hey, you GOTTA get a college degree." Do we? Why? What happened to apprenticeships?

part of it is regulation

No seriously, what the hell happened?

university of phoenix happened

The problem with government giving money is we do not have proper data showing how efficient it is, there is the mentality often that the money has to be spent even if inefficiently or else it will stop coming

get government money out of places it doesn't belong

college is supposed to be something adults pay for

The question is where does it belong?

once you are out of high school, you are an adult

And if you remove what is already there what will be the consequences

Granade i disagree

I am all for state funded unis

i'll accept a few per state

but we don;t have that do we

Depends where you live

even "private" colleges are getting hand over fist government help in some form

grants, scholarships, you name it

We do have state unis in czech

Pell grant is the biggest form of Federal funding anyway

And private have to work hard to keep up

In quality

although wait

WHY should the state provide university education?

IN u.s. anyway, not sure how much state tends to spend per student in public unis

why not companies?

Why shouldent it ?

charter schools are a good idea

why shouldn't they be paying to train me?

my kids goto charter schools

Public education is common good

Public Unis already work largely like charter schools

Imo

and that ends at high school

Why ?

overrequirement of post-secondary educatuion

something like 20% of jobs probalby need one

Imo highschool should teach more

Students should come out of high school at 18 with an associates

probably

@zutt i didn't need a fucking degree to learn programming, yet everyone requires it for me to get in the field

but most people that age aren't in that mindset

there are plenty of bs degrees because "generic education" is valuable

and as a result, college was no longer for smart or hard working people, it was for everyone so we extended childhood to fucking 25

Its up to you to use uni to your benefit

which you do when YOU pay for it

Nah

when you get it for free from the state, you fuck off with it

we replaced on the job training with "go to college"

tell me, what net good is gender studies?

college is too ubiquitous these days. a college degree in literally anything is required for 80% of jobs that you realistically barely need a high school diploma to be able to do the job effectively

what net good is cortez's economics degree?

college is high school extended these days.

it means fuck all

Women telling women they are "Bleep bags" ?

Perhaps the problem that stems from funding gender studies is not that it is useless, but that too many people want to go into it when only a few are necessary

when people need to pay for shit, they value it

---Wow.

Gif, what the fuck is your problem

that gif got fucked up along the way somewhere lmao

my eyes

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I worked for a non-profit. We took perfectly good bikes people were throwing away, packed them in a shipping container, and sent them to countries where maybe 1 person in a village had a truck. We called them places with a transportation crisis. The idea was simple, give the working class easy means to look for work. But there was one huge catch: we made them pay for it. Sure, we'd take what was maybe a 100 bike and charge 5 bucks for it. but 5 bucks there was several months to a year salary to them. As a result, they cared for it. If we gave it away for free, they'd waste them doing stupid shit

we got to help cover shipping fees, they get something they really needed and felt they earned it

I don't understand how 5 bucks can be a year salary anywhere.