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2018-07-10 16:45:11 UTC

or does my child suddenly no longer count as my child once they get past a certain age?

2018-07-10 16:45:23 UTC

communism has lead to some extremely bad things in history, its an extreme, an opposite extreme to a far more common extreme in which it was conseived to fight against, the extreme of capitalism in which most of us live under. the extreme of capitalism is less harmful to us directly because it is not a system that immediately fights against the fundomental structure of economy, but it does slowly, without any regulation, put people in the positions of success spirals on the backs of people who's lively hood depend on those people being fair to them dispite the extreme difference in personal power between them.

2018-07-10 16:45:46 UTC

my house my rules is a form of government. very small, very very local, but government none-the-less.

2018-07-10 16:46:09 UTC

actually communism was a response against Aristocracy,

Starving poor plebs, and super-rich aristocrats

2018-07-10 16:46:26 UTC

Are you being intentionally obtuse? A child, not your offspring

2018-07-10 16:46:31 UTC

As in the developmental stage

2018-07-10 16:46:53 UTC

Communism always ends when you eat all the rich

2018-07-10 16:47:04 UTC

then you eat each other

2018-07-10 16:47:09 UTC

If your kid hits age of majority they're only following your rules voluntarily, by virtue of living on your property or property you pay for

2018-07-10 16:47:39 UTC

where did i say it was the developmental stage and not the colloquial term for offspring?

2018-07-10 16:48:09 UTC

Were you not referring to my initial use of the term? You posed it as a question

2018-07-10 16:48:41 UTC

not that it ultimately matters, the philosophy of my house, my rules, is still a form of government.

2018-07-10 16:48:53 UTC

It's a form of exerting ownership

2018-07-10 16:49:14 UTC

Which, if you're arguing with an ancap, they're on board with

2018-07-10 16:49:30 UTC

In communism there's no ownership

2018-07-10 16:50:00 UTC

they are. too bad they cannot figure out how to enforce private property to own without risking making a case for government

2018-07-10 16:50:29 UTC

That's the initial argument they make though, which is that they can through private means

2018-07-10 16:50:42 UTC

Like you can argue that's a shit solution, but saying they have no solution is dishonest

2018-07-10 16:51:42 UTC

at which point, they are basically only one stepped removed from communism. because private property, outside that which you physically control, is what those around you agree is your property.

2018-07-10 16:53:32 UTC

What?

2018-07-10 16:54:12 UTC

The whole point is that you have to come to a social agreement about property either way, and have some form of consensus as to how to deal with violation of private property. This occurs even *with* a government

2018-07-10 16:56:59 UTC

this occurs all the time because that is society, period, since humans starting making groups of other humans, yes.

2018-07-10 16:57:53 UTC

Yes, and humans aren't always one step removed from communism

2018-07-10 16:58:35 UTC

communism isint a very human ideology

2018-07-10 16:58:36 UTC

that sounds like something a person who's one step removed from communism would say!

2018-07-10 16:58:57 UTC

You got me [Patriotic Soviet Music Intensifies]

2018-07-10 17:04:27 UTC

why not? communism, or more accurately probably called Marxism now? whatever you want to call the ultimate philosophy of no country, no property, anarchy with utopian levels of non-violence and cooperation, is basically just distributing resources among all society according to needs. This is done through a social agreement, because that is what we call cooperating with other humans. Replace needs with ability to get, and that's private property.

2018-07-10 17:05:42 UTC

the difference between ancap and an ancom is who is getting the most resources.

2018-07-10 17:06:05 UTC

That's a gross oversimplification

2018-07-10 17:06:12 UTC

nah ๐Ÿ˜‰ cuz the one getting most is the centrist warlord that gets a smart enough big clan to crush either

2018-07-10 17:06:26 UTC

To the point where basically any system is "almost communism"

2018-07-10 17:06:50 UTC

@Dr.Wol convert to Anarcho-Monarchism today

2018-07-10 17:07:18 UTC

thats not anarcho-monarchism

thats imperialism

2018-07-10 17:07:45 UTC

get a big tribe, crush all others and subjegate them all

2018-07-10 17:07:59 UTC

and maintain order cuz you're the only one with the power of force

2018-07-10 17:08:07 UTC

and just like that, government is back ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-07-10 17:10:47 UTC

I meant moreso the idea of a central force that will crush other attempted governing bodies basically. Just the crushing, minus the subjugating :^)

2018-07-10 17:11:19 UTC

thats genocide

2018-07-10 17:11:48 UTC

No, genocide would be when you attack a whole ethnic group, not an attempted governing body

2018-07-10 17:11:52 UTC

a gross oversimplification?

property is not something that exists. its made up. by humans. Resources exist, and we consume them. Anarchy removes all the bullshit that complicates things and brings it all back to the beginning: individuals cooperating with individuals. That's the start of all human civilization and things build from there. Property is just allocated resources. Capitalism is based off ability, Communism is based off need.

2018-07-10 17:12:27 UTC

Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part.

Its not confined to just ethnic cleansing

2018-07-10 17:13:48 UTC

That doesn't seem like it has much utility. Like by that logic all failed revolutions/coups/etc are examples of genocide

2018-07-10 17:14:14 UTC

people usually implies the humans themselves, not their structures

2018-07-10 17:14:41 UTC

you can destroy a governing body without killing the people

2018-07-10 17:14:47 UTC

I specified other governing bodies, and the term genocide was still used

2018-07-10 17:14:48 UTC

at least, not most of them

2018-07-10 17:14:55 UTC

Or attempted governing bodies, rather

2018-07-10 17:16:03 UTC

As for the property aspect, property is simply whatever resources you can control

2018-07-10 17:16:24 UTC

Other governing bodies are another nation (national group)

2018-07-10 17:16:44 UTC

Attempted governing bodies are not yet nations

2018-07-10 17:17:25 UTC

i was not aware my town was a nation

2018-07-10 17:17:32 UTC

it is certainly a different governing body

2018-07-10 17:17:36 UTC

as is a state

2018-07-10 17:17:48 UTC

That too

2018-07-10 17:19:11 UTC

they're a sub-governing body of the full nation,

In ancap/ancom world there are no full blown nations,
So every "nation" is just the small group that decided to group together

2018-07-10 17:20:02 UTC

your child governs his own life in the household, but still abides by your overarching governing as parent

2018-07-10 17:20:09 UTC

and owner of the household

2018-07-10 17:21:57 UTC

Right but my understanding of Anarcho-Monarchist theory is that you basically have one central force that exists to make sure that anyone who tries to expand beyond that point gets slapped down

2018-07-10 17:22:47 UTC

so a state police to maintain order

2018-07-10 17:22:51 UTC

Sort of like how Anarcho Primitivism works, but with accumulation of power rather than technology, and with a "big stick" central power instead of you just probably being stoned to death

2018-07-10 17:22:51 UTC

or world police

2018-07-10 17:23:02 UTC

Not quite

2018-07-10 17:23:25 UTC

It would be regional for starters, and the idea would be to beat down warlords and the like

2018-07-10 17:23:33 UTC

An anti imperialist emergency fund

2018-07-10 17:24:00 UTC

Mind you, the obvious problems are the same as the nightwatchman state, but with more accumulated power. I'm not sure how they square that

2018-07-10 17:31:44 UTC

I am a nobody

2018-07-10 17:31:50 UTC

My only title is pleb

2018-07-10 17:31:55 UTC

I feel very marginalized

2018-07-10 17:37:00 UTC

Get marginalized bitch

2018-07-10 17:41:31 UTC

@Chlodovech If you're a gamer, there's an easy fix.

2018-07-10 17:43:27 UTC

Gamers are forced to wear a badge. This is basically Nazi Germany.

2018-07-10 17:43:59 UTC

"whose minions" jesus christ they're still really mad at him for criticizing the media

2018-07-10 17:44:12 UTC

Hahhahaha

2018-07-10 17:44:31 UTC

Not even gonna click it

2018-07-10 17:46:40 UTC

Being a victim gives you a lot of perks and boons

2018-07-10 17:46:57 UTC

so maybe I should want to be a marginalized pleb willingly

2018-07-10 17:46:59 UTC

lol at the comments

2018-07-10 17:48:02 UTC

Are you white, straight, male, able bodied or cis?

2018-07-10 17:48:14 UTC

the best bodied

2018-07-10 17:48:40 UTC

Cuz then you're not allowed to be marginalized

2018-07-10 17:49:15 UTC

that's better

2018-07-10 17:49:17 UTC

also lol

2018-07-10 17:51:00 UTC

Bill in Congress to unmask Antifa like they did to the kkk https://twitter.com/jacksmithiv/status/1016721912276373504?s=21

2018-07-10 17:51:07 UTC

It's so blatant that the Musk narrative swapped overnight. He was making amazing progress for the world, but then he criticized shit journalism and now he's just a rich white man wasting resources on frivolous shit while being a self important egoist

2018-07-10 17:51:18 UTC

yup

2018-07-10 17:51:30 UTC

lol

2018-07-10 17:51:31 UTC

musket is the greatest over

2018-07-10 17:51:35 UTC
2018-07-10 17:52:18 UTC

hahaha

2018-07-10 17:54:48 UTC

id get behind that bill

2018-07-10 17:54:59 UTC

if you are going to protest, you shouldnt hide your indenty

2018-07-10 17:55:10 UTC

meh I dunno

2018-07-10 17:55:32 UTC

I think you absolutely should be able to protest anonymously

2018-07-10 17:55:34 UTC

the right to be anonymous

2018-07-10 17:55:39 UTC

should be allowed

2018-07-10 17:55:48 UTC

thats kind of an authoritarian move/bill

2018-07-10 17:55:51 UTC

There are numerous reasons for that. *But* anonymous property damage is garbage

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