You know, state enforced atheism & all that.

capitalism must be making china weak

they seem to care a looooot more than they use to about people who didint pledge their souls to the idea of communal conformity

unironicly though i do think what china is doing to muslims is pretty disturbed but i do actually think its a situation where they really dont want them anymore but cant justify doing what they really want to do to get rid of them so they are doing what they can get away with

im not exactly sure id argue they dont have the right not to want muslims in their country though

```Wew @Timcast did you see comments under the china vid ?
All them ppl cheering china on```
Do you have a better idea how to deal with a religion that tells its believers its the best and to subdue all unbelievers??

Just read up on Islam and the Qua'ran. The more you know, the more you can understand China.

Its not like those annoying Jehova's Wittnesses, that are strong believers but nothing more than anoying, the worst thing they do is trying to convert you. But they are (mostly) Harmless.

Fighting authoritarianism with authoritarianism doesn't sound like good idea to me tbh

True, but in this case, do you have a better alternative?

actually it works most of the time

There's also the point that reaction without precision sets precedent.

I mean some alternative where you do not have to murder them of course (wich I really do not like).

This matter establishes who is okay with targeting a religion.

What if someone decided atheism is a mental defect?

@RyeNorth What do you know about Islam?

what you need to understand is that chinese arnt westerners, they have a completely different psychology than we have, what works for them is VERY different than what works for us. they are collectivist in nature while westerners are natural individualists

The thing is Arch-Fiend, if they were not Chinese citizens then they could just kick them out, the Americans used to deports anarchists when they were not citizens, of course the Americans can't deport American anarchists or or any of their citizens regardless of how bad they are.

What do I NEED to know?

To be blunt: pls read up on Islam, read the Qua'ran and what is inside.

You need to know what the Religion is about!

No. I don't.

I operate on principles.

So what if Nazism is accepted as a Religion?

Are you for or against trying to convert the Nazi-Believers if you have to?

You *NEED to know what the Religion is about*.

I don't care what a damn person believes.

Or rather what is the goal of the Religion.

I care what their actions are.

Actions can be punished.

For example If a religion was puttin gays in camps and torturing them

My country started with punishing nazis for not believing in holocaust, now they want to punish anyone for offending people.

@RyeNorth So if Nazism would be a Religion, you'd defend their right to their Religion?

Sure.

So *NOW* people care what China is doing?

Id defend their right to think and discuss their ideas openly

I'd do to. But what if they want to murder you if you critizize them?

they cant actually murder or threaten you

Beliefs VS actions.

Already forgotten Charlie Hebdo?

Punishable crime

The people who committed the attacks were bad and punished

The people who cheered for the attack were bad and cant be punished

They weren't bad according to their Books.

I don't care what their books say

You should!

The Bible says some horrendous things, too!

Not this arguement again

Hindu caste systems etc

But a) nobody acts on it
b) everyone disavows it in the Bible.

That is the difference!

i dont really think either of you really understand why china is behaving this way

The Chinese hate any kind of organization. Anything that might form a power base to threaten the party is destroyed. They also go after labor unions and large student political organizations that aren't explicitly along party lines.

They were going after Christians. They've got a big issue in Xianjiang where there is a borderline open revolt against the ruling government. It's also a similar situation to Tibet where they are shipping in Han Chinese specifically to displace and pacify the locals. I guess they're now going after the Muslims, except it's a large enough majority that they can't just send up to prisons en masse or control all the churches.

Fast forward TLDR : religion does bad things people dont treat all religions the same

Tell that to the Salem witch trials.

they behave this way with EVERY group of people within china

```i dont really think either of you really understand why china is behaving this way```
Because the Muslim Population causes trouble and violence, don't integrate.

Because their religion tells them that the unbelievers are the worst of creatures.

Because their Religion tells them they are the best of people.

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Because their religion tells them to subdue the Nonbelievers.

I dont care about punishing people for following a religion

So if you think this religion is flawed, you should be able to persecute them based on participation in that religion?

It sets a bad precedent for society to do so

china doesent care about the religon

we've got three-for-one in japan

Any alternative to deal with this Religion?

as far as china cares, the religion is simply a title a group of people have

And you were lecturing me on nazism?

COME ON YOU SICK SON'S OF BITCHES, DON'T YOU EVEN HAVE A SOUL

We just have to kill the bad people and not let the bad people think their ideas and everything will be ok

You've got a final solution here to the MQ

what the chinese care about is what the group of people with that religion do, buuuuuut unlike western thinkers like rye, the chinese attribute any bad that a person of a group of people do to the entire group

Thats because they are inherently collectivist

@Blackhawk342 No, we should not kill the bad people. And in some cases you'll be able to convince them that they are wrong and there are better ways to do things than the things they do.

The question I asked specifically applied to nazi Germany jews.

Tread carefully. This is why principles matter.

if the muslims suddenly started acting really good to the chinese, even just on an individual basis the chinese would change their tune because they dont actually care about what the religion says, what the people look like (though they will never be chinese they can be good slaves), or what the people think

No you have to kill the bad people otherwise theyll overrun your society and destroy it from within by taking advantage of your good will

the chinese are both incredibly practicle and yet at the same time prone to wide generalizations

Muslium Brotherhood HQ was raided in the US and the FBI found a literal plan to take over the country

@RyeNorth The Groomning Gangs in UK are also acting according to their religion.

Okay..?

That's action.

Freedom of religion != Freedom to do whatever your holy book says

what the chinese can recognize is that their culture is HIGHLY incompatible with islam and thus there will always be an eternal divide between them. this basicly makes it imposible for them to remain a community forever

Islam is straight from the fucking dark ages.

They have not changed.

You've established that action isn't required for your response.

It's just not sane to treat them with the same kid gloves we treat other religions.

china is straight up from antiquity

Bringing up things that have been done doesn't change my position.

they have not changed

The crimes are wrong. The cops are complicit.

the chinese are the most conservitive people the world has ever produced in such a large quantity

Y'know what rings different about this than jewish internment or japanese internment.

Those things have genetic qualities.

Fix the police department and the government first

Get them to enforce the laws equally

_bows before Rye for standing behind his principles_