You can't simply create the wealth or funds required to build capital

So you can work for someone else or be self employed and save up money to start your own business

This was what the majority of business owners did. The alternative was to be self sufficient and live in what was objectively poverty, living off the land

It was legal rulings and governments mandates that at the time were considered socialistic that put an end to such practices

So, you can live off the land, or work for someone else & work your way up. How is that bad?

What land?

There was not a ladder to work yourself up. How do you work your way up on employee vouchers

The land you don't own?

At one point, child labor laws were considered socialism

Jones, I'm not aware of any companies doing this anymore

Refer to my above statements

Why do you think they don't do it anymore?

Because big government banned it

Because another company will come along & offer them a better form of payment

Did somebody let a Libertarian into the TWP server?

No, because the government mandated a wage in US dollars

People came to work for Henry Ford because he paid more, they did this voluntarily

Why would they have to, if their buddy in big oil company 1 is doing it. What motivation does big oil company 2 have to improve the situation

Not just a Libertarian, seems like an ancap

Why not collude together to keep the workers under their yoke

Jones, they don't have to work for an oil company

Venezuela is socialism

I know it's accelerated by brown people

But every socialist policy always fails

Social security will run out by 2030

Venezuela is *Marxian* socialism

So will Medicare

Venezuela failed because they focused their entire company around the export of Oil

Welfare and big government in any dorm is socialist

And when the Oil prices crashed in 2015, which mind you also effected many oil companies in primarily capitalist countries, this effected them deeply

There are different types of socialism. There's is communist. Ours is economic Third Position

You're pointing towards one aspect of the Venuzuelian economy and ignoring others

Alberta is a fairly capiatalistic province of Canada that faced pretty high unemployment during this time as well because their local economy was built on oil

I agree

Meaning

Building your society around one product is risky

What happens when oil prices fall, is resources leave oil and will go to more profitable ventures

Except that's not what's happening

because oil companies are cock blocking every attempt at alternative energies they can

Instead we are investing more and more money for less and less return in more dangerous methods of extracting oil

By what mechanism are they preventing other sources of energy

Cockblocking any legislation in government that would fund or allow grants for companies seeking to research altnerative energy, copy righting methods and other means of R&D into these energies. Invesiting millions into ads and public relations to scare us off from the idea of nuclear energy, electric cars, etc.

And again we see government is the roadblock

Government is also the middleman from them just doing these things themselves

Would you agree that a large portion of welfare recipients in America are parasites

No

Meaning they are able and capable of working but they don't because why bother

A small portion

Most welfare recipients are non white. They aren't parasites?

Many lifers exist in welfare because they hit a road block. Where its more profitable to stay at a certain income level while receiving welfare, than to receive a dollar or two raise in pay, but lose the welfare

They suffer under a broken system that exists and benefits from keeping them in service

Yes, that's the welfare cliff

And this culture we have promotes pleasure and the individual needs above collective good. When we implement cultural changes to promote community and family, people won't want to be parasites

But it's false to compare this to national socialism

It creates a perverse incentive to not work longer hours & avoid pay raises

If we eliminate welfare, people won't have the possibility to be parasites

Either be productive or starve. If you are a legitimate victim, then private charity can fill in. It's not moral if I'm forced to give money at the point of a gun

In a high trust society like we want, we can have nice things like welfare and universal health care

You don't need universal healthcare to have healthcare

Along the lines of what Hadrian is saying. You're focusing on the socialism under our current low trust broken system, while ignoring the results of socialism under a high trust nationalistic system

Everything government currently provides was once provided by private individuals

Or not provided in any form

I agree that any system is going to work better with whites

And people lived for 35 miserable years

It's not just about being under whites

Libya worked wonderfully

Before (((They))) killed Ghaddafi

Hadrian, because we had a much poorer understanding of modern medicine, not because a lack of government. Everyone died young

What motivated people to improve healhcare. Because it was not primarily profit

It was out of a sense of common good and duty to ones people

Not just medicine. Local crop failures led to mass starvation, among other things

Or profit

Anyways the wife is glaring at me. I gotta put my kid to bed. Feel free to keep it going. Discussion is good

Because if you offer a magic pill that increases your lifespan 50 years, do you think people would be willing to pay you for that?

Goodnight bro, and thank you for doing your part at repopulating our race

We'll never measure up to those chad IE guys man. Getting shouted down by a bunch of fat pink hairs at gainesville

That was peak optics right there

My ideal society is a 100% white ethnostate with maximum freedom. If people want to form a socialist commune within the country, they should be able to, but the libertarian town shouldn't be forced to pay for it

Don't you want to help your fellow people?

Yes, and I do, through charity

Taxation and welfare is theft and violence, not charity

It's not moral if I have a gun held to my head

You realize this is a discord chanel for TWP, a national SOCIALIST org right?

Not trying to shit on you man but cmon

And you shouldn't be allowed to accumulate wealth through unrestrained greed while your fellow white people are poor through no fault of their own

Jones agrees that debate is good. If mods don't want opposing viewpoints then I'll stop bringing it up.

How is it greed to want to keep the money I earned, but it's not greed to want to take it from me?

It's not that you earn money, it's how you do so

In capitalism, it's by providing services people are willing to pay me for

If you're treating people fairly, that's fine

None of us want to take your home, food etc. We encourage business

I'd like to reiterate I'm 100% on board with nationalism. And I'd rather live in a socialist all white country than a capitalist multi ethnic society.

The great thing about capitalism is, if you don't think what I'm offering is fair, you don't have to do business with me

And when the heating oil company starts charging exorbitant rates in the winter?

Should we just not do business with them?

I bet if a ceo did that, he would be hated by everyone in society

They do that now wtf

Who would ostracize him and refuse to offer their business with him

That only happens if there's a monopoly

And monopolies only exist when the government creates themv