Civic Nationalism, I'm assuming that believes in heavy federal laws

where the federal government gets an ass ton of power

but maybe I'm wrong, my memory is a little hazy

Not necessarily

It could involve that but a strong central authority isn't inherent to civic nationalist thought

It says civic nationalism is based off liberalism

shit I'm a Democrat lol

although I guess Democrat and liberal aren't the same thing

I think the Republicans were once liberal

Hey didn't the Democrats originally believe in slavery

back then, every black guy was Republican. The Republicans were against slavery

@Ben Garrison I think I'm an old-fashion liberal, kind of like Alex Jones

Don't really know at this point lol

The American idea of liberal is skewed. When the word liberal is used in a historical or European context it means classical liberalism, which is what we might associate with conservatism in America

ah makes more sense

In that sense the Republican Party has always been and still is a liberal party

Well, for the most part. There's a lot of neo-conservative elements in the Party now

so the Democrats are conservative

The Democrats were conservative at one point, and in the old school sense of the word too. Now they're better described as "progressive" even though that word has been transformed from its original context too

that's a long paragraph to say "yes"

progressive

so the Republicans were the union

and the Democrats were the confederacy

or no

Yes

***shit remove the rank***

wow it just got complicated af, its like I want to be conservative Republican, but its democrat

That was back when Democrats were undeniably the conservative party that represented agrarian interests and the Republicans represented more urban interests

It's just names really. There was a massive shift in the mid 20th century with all the Civil Rights stuff where the parties turned upside down on a lot of issues

well now I don't know rather to be conservative or liberal

Rofl, back at square 1

Got our asses backwards here

you know I don't really know what to say

guess I'm an old fashion Republican?

Or I could just call myself a Republican Libertarian

@Ben Garrison That fit?

Yeah, a lot of Republicans lean pretty heavily libertarian

still mean I could be a Civic Nationalist right

Yes

aight boi, Republican Libertarian Civic Nationalist that believes in multilateralism

bam bitch

settled

who cares about what the terms are

Just be a freethinker

Right Libertarian, damn right

The terms don't control my opinion, my opinion controls the term

That's some wise words you got there

There are also other brands of nationalism too. Such as cultural nationalism, which defines the nation on the basis of culture, religious nationalism, which does the same but in terms of religion, etc. I'd consider myself a cultural nationalist. I know there isn't one united American culture as of right now, but there should be. And I think that such a culture should favor duty, discipline, self-sacrifice, and traditional Christianity (as opposed to the new age hippie Christianity that modernists preach)

And I realize that once this new culture is established. It will be exclusively American as it should be, and foreigners will have a hard time comprehending it. This is alright though, since we're American and they're not. It would be like a British person trying to understand Chinese culture. Or vice versa.

Religion is often an important component of nationalist thought but I’d challenge that you could classify a nationalism based primarily on religion unless it’s a highly localized religious tradition practiced by only one or two peoples like Druze or today’s Zoroastrianism. The Christian “nation” would be an empire of a hundred languages.

In the United States? Or Christendom in general. If the former, I disagree but if the latter, I agree. I do not favor all Western christians to unite as one "nation" though. That wouldn't work and it would destroy the many aspects of western nations that make them what they are. I do favor all American christians to unite as a nation, though; centered around english as a common language, and the newfound American culture as a common culture.

Yes I meant Christendom in general since that would be the result of a primarily religious nationalism. American nationalism being heavily influenced by Christianity is what I meant when I said that religion is an important component

Yeah, that's why I'm not a religious nationalist. I'm also not an ethnonationalist, nor am I a civic nationalist. I'm a cultural nationalist, but I do acknowledge that certain people are more willing to embrace particular cultures than others. Therefore membership in the nation is not open to everyone, but only well integrated people born within our borders who accept the culture.

But it isnt plural, something youve been consistently unable to back up, and the only thing you've pulled from outside confirmed that it is singular

Why are you arguing an irrelevant point?

How is it irrelevant? You're defending s being at the end of math on the grounds that its plural

No. You are misrepresenting my argument. I said the s is there for consistency.
Whether or not it is meant to be there now is meaningless, it's purpose on the non-abbreviated word was false plurality, which is preserved on contraction.

"Why then would you smack an s at the end of an abbreviation like math?" This is a retarded question.
If a term is plural, you preserve it when shortening it. why would you not?

That's what you said, am I misrepresenting that?

Boi. You having fun here? Making an argument where there is none?
I was referring to the source.

I'm tired, it's 2AM, lemme make mistakes. The s has a purpose, not entirely valid, but Imma keep it there until I forget about it. OK?

dang

2AM?

Let's revisit this when you aren't tired then. The world shall be converted back to the holy light of MATH and cleansed of the Deceiver that is Maths

yuck

Lets have another argument when I'm awake. This one isn't fun

And yes I forgot the ' a zillion times

meths was my favourite subject at school

nothing but respect for my president

good one

there should be a rank for that

This was my president...

He got impeached...

oof

Now it's this guy

lol

He is trying to start land expropriation without compensation...

rip

indeed

good praxis

*wot*

i think nyx is trying to say "white colonizers deserved it yeet."

maybe it's a bit like how when slavery ended the British Government recompensated people for slavery which in retrospect doesn't make sense?
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837)
so would it also make no sense if someone believed these people were 'colonizers' to re compensate them 🤔

?

Have you any idea what happened in South Africa?

rich land lords who do nothing but own lands that poor landless farmer work on are getting threaten to be expropriate... what a tragedy

That oversimplified into falsehood. Well done

oof

guns should be banned

Bernie Sanders should have been your president

Give 1 good reason why guns should be banned

mexicans are not rapists

because it increases violence, can't yousee?

uhm.... wot

you blame it on the muslims, but if they can get their guns to kill innocent people, it's because of your gun lawes

no, guns are tools. Like a hammer makes it easier to do some construction work, guns make it easier to kill lots of people. It does not increase violence, it empowers people who have issues.

Like hammers do not make construction workers. They just empower them

*guns make it easier to kill lots of people* that's exactly the problem

You just intentionally ignored everything important that I said