@Livingstone fckn amen to that. The way we teach history and truth is laughable. The only issue there is if we regulate the teachings of history, if the government controls that regulation, they can lie all they want and it will be the status quo.

Very true.

A seriously fine-line on education across the board

It really bugs me that censorship of history is being promoted. It blows my mind. I wish that there was a baseline and then the state could expand on it but could not detract from it. I don’t believe that it should be regulated by the government. But I do believe that it should be the same across the board.

adding to that, the whole "common core" math they're teaching is absurdity, and making people dumber. And I'm not a boomer like people stereotype anti-commoncore people with, i'm in my mid'20's. wtf happened to mathematics.

Dude I turn 27 next month. I don’t understand common core. My roommate, well ex roommate, is going to be a teacher. She was some six years younger than me and she and her younger sister who is 10 years younger than me both have experience with common core. I don’t understand how they can be so not smart. I wouldn’t call her dumb. But she can’t do basic writing, reading, Or math. 

Like. She just can’t. She can’t read quickly. Hast to read something multiple times to process it. And her writing is atrocious. She is going to be an educator.

Not a D’s Get degrees educator. I don’t even know how to describe it.

Truth, my sister got her degree in education and she is constantly complaining about how everyone in the system is dense. They might not necessarily be dumb, but the way they've been taught to interpret/compute things is so braindead, they can't problem-solve at all on their own.

They don’t have any critical thinking skills. They are incapable of coming to their own conclusion or producing individual analysis.

It’s bull shit.

I'm a programmer for a living, and literally all you do is problemsolve, so when people have an issue understanding things like percentages i'm totally taken aback. I had a debate with a friend over mixing 2 cans of beer together, he said it'd make 10% alcohol if he mixed 2 5% beers together. This guy has a DEGREE

Oh my god that’s so funny

I genuinely witch cackled.

I laughed too but internally i was a bit upset. wtf happened to education, my lord.

I mean if he wants to make a homemade black and tan that is one thing.

I’m working on getting my degree atm.

Rhetoric. I take time off to work in the real world and make money so I can go to school because I don’t believe in student loans.

Some of the people, man. Like these young girls that are so alt leftist. Especially from the early childhood and education field. They just don’t make any sense.

And when they get out they’ll be preschool and elementary teachers with debt.

It breaks my heart that they are the teachers of the future when they are so. Bleh.

Side note. Did you ever watch the IT crowd?

Agreed, the upcoming generation of teachers are a total heartbreaker. Despite the fact that they're mostly indoctrinated by leftist ideals, they also are just NOT critical thinkers at all. They're the kinds of teachers that get mad when students point out a mistake they made during teaching and might even punish for it. It's a sad state of affairs.

And no, I have not.

I absolutely agree. It is really sad. It’s a British humor show. Predates big bang theory. It’s… Not the same thing as programming. But it does center around IT.

I don’t want to be a teacher. I actually do want to make money and do something with my life. But I will fall into teaching probably by the time I hit 45.

That is my goal. I don’t wanna seek being a teacher. I want to fall into it when the time is right.

@Skizerz they've really done a disservice to teachers in the US. It's absolutely pathetic how they are treated.

Education in this country is abysmal at best. My daughter is in a Charter school, which is at least a slight improvement over Public School, but I still worry for her education.

There are aspects of potential protection for our education institutions, but those protections could limit diversity of topics and freedom of information. I just wish there was a way to mandate fact only delivery. No propaganda or opinions.

Only in the US do you have to pay a premium for a decent education. In my case I was sent to a catholic school and it was bad comparatively to public school because of lack of resources.

@AlexanderTorri agree 100% cut out the bs indoctrination.

Our higher education systems have always had a romance with ideological systems such as communism/ socialism. I don't know if you've ever heard of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn but he was boo'ed out of Harvard for presenting an anti-communism speech.

The question is how is elimination of indoctrination communicated through legal language without limiting liberties? There is a freedom of press and speech granted by the 1st amendment. Anything contrary to the broad envelope created by the language is automatically unconstitutional. So it seems propaganda is even protected.

Lol figures...

You control the language you control the narrative.

Democrats seem to be predominantly ideologues. When they are challenged the backlash they bring is chaotic.

Such is the case when your ideology is based off of emotion rather than fact.

Conservative ideology is practical and based off of historical understanding. When the status quo is challenged, they panic.

We need a mix... an ideological basis with a strong root in tradition

Ideology wrapped with emotions is child like and representative of immaturity. Realistically, an assessment of emotional response to challenge should be a determining factor in assessing a person’s compatibility for holding a governmental position... lol

The problem is the ideologies wane and wax with the current system... too conservative it shifts liberal too liberal it shifts conservative. There's really never balance. Just shifts in power.

Oh no... definitely don’t want to control ideology, let it be fluid. The problem is when emotions are in the mix.

I agree to that.

I think improvements in education would help a lot of the growing pains associated with that. Gullible, less educated people tend to fall in to the trap of basing their decision off of emotion over fact.

The primary difference that I have noticed between many liberals and conservatives is where the blame is placed. On one’s self, conservative. On others, liberal.

And by education I mean classical education not the indoctrination systems we see today.

I agree

I think what you said falls down to culture.

It’s unfortunately cultural

Monetary status seems to contribute to cultural divide, but socialist ideology is no solution.

You're absolutely right.

Monetary status is aided by self-empowerment and factual education.

Cultural divides exist because many are told they are powerless. Education is to blame solely for that mindset.

A lot has happened to make people feel that no matter how hard they work their outcome will never change.

If we as a society overcome victim thought, then capitalism will flourish.

I think the US could use a lot of job place reform to change that thought though.

Corruption and propagandist education happened

What ideas do you have for job place reform?

You've got people who perform hard work and they get paid just as much as the slacker in the next cubicle.

Ah... minimum wage

We need to get rid of that crap

No more like merit based reward systems

Pay people what they are worth and what they contribute... not based on “political correctness feeling fixing” crap

Even in jobs that pay decent the same issues prevail

The people who work hard never get promoted because they carry their teammates....leads to stagnation

In other words remove socialism from the US work force.

Regulations and high business tax limit available resource allocation. When combined with minimum wage, the available funds to pay based on merits is limited.

I agree

Ban unions too

That's when the federal government gives tax breaks to the business and tax companies that utilize foreign resources more heavily.

But you have to do something to ensure that the money isn't just shoved in the ceo's pockets.

The foreign crap needs to stop in my opinion. Seeking out cheaper employment and punishing companies with higher taxes for employing internally makes no sense.

Yes it's an absolute abomination to our economy

The ceo needs money to grow the company and expand services/products. Limiting his/her funds makes no sense.

No I mean the ceo's personal gain

Why?

He created the company, right?

Point taken

The point is making some of that money reach the lower forces in the company.

There is a whole other solution to that issue other than limiting the ceo.

I'm all ears

Self empowerment allows the individual to understand they are not a victim and do not have to maintain employment within a company. If they feel the ceo’s values do not align with their own, they have the ability to leave. If enough were to believe that and leave a bad ceo, he/she would be best suited to change their style and practices to suit his/her employees. CEOs are held up by the workforce. If they have no workforce, they have no capital gain... and thus no business.

I like that.

Great point.

That was the issue back before the unions were popularized. People believed they were victims and had no choice in the matter. So they begged the government to allow representation from unions to “punish” ceos.

The terrible education people receive limit them from understanding their own power and capability.

Those who are successful know one thing very well. Their own effort and drive is what makes or breaks.

Yeah it's a tough thing to do when people start out their lives in so much debt mainly due to college cost inflation. It's basically entrapment.

I have a terrible habit of procrastination, which is my own problem and what limits my own ability to succeed.

Yeah... tuition rates are another travesty.

People back in the 60's could work a part time job and have college paid off by the time they graduate. I'm still paying on mine almost a decade later and I make a decent salary.

I made right at 93k this year in an area that has a median salary of 40k.

But... in all honesty... the belief that you have to pay exorbitant rates for a good education is what allows private and public universities to charge those rates. If people understood their education is in their own hands (internet) and they don’t have to get the most expensive degree at the most expensive school to be “recognized”, then the tuition issue would solve itself in time.

Ignorance and victim thought gives power to these institutions.

Schools are a business too and if they have no students, they have no business.

A smart ceo will adjust rates to compete.

I think that thought back feeds from work places requiring degrees for jobs that they didn't. It only perpetuates from there.

Yep

Ignorance at it’s finest