So how do you build a new ship if the designs are contradictory in some aspects?

We don’t want to create another system of “well... close enough” for beliefs or we will end up in another 2 party system compromise.

Establish enough common ground to make it acceptable by multiple people and then if any questions were to arise refer to the constitution.

No two people will ever agree on everything wholeheartedly. If they do one of them is lying for the sake of the other.

https://youtu.be/3Hifxf1D4LM lol hodgetwins complaining sure does feel comforting right now 😂

The constitution needs some help... more protects for the current age. The corruption has found pathways that once never existed.

And there is no room for growth. A political party needs to be able to grow. It needs to be able to change with the times. As new information is given the party needs to be able to interpret the information and adapt and make an educated decision.

The corruption found its way in through state governed systems because many are unconstitutional

Yes, but stability is essential in some cases, changing fluidly based off of what you hear, experience will not always instill confidence.

Absolutely. But that does not mean that the system is corrupt. It means that the system has been overcome by people who are corrupted.

The checks for that should be the federal level but since a certain party has been super partisan, those checks failed.

We need to go back to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We got to this level of corruption because of loopholes and flaws. We need to find those and seal them up if we have any plans for a brighter future.

I am going to go to bed before I get to infused lol

I am not the leader the people need, but rather a deep thinker and a problem solver.

True. It’s Almost midnight.

Then you are the leader’s right hand man. Don’t sell yourself short bro

@AlexanderTorri at least you're thinking, that's more than most.

Definitely not selling myself short, just accepting of my own limitations

Too true @Humanoid Typhoon

The future is up to people who can still have civil discourse.

And agree and disagree without coming to violence.

Your strengths fill in the gaps for someone else. I would be a shit leader but I am a great doer. I make things happen. I get people to do things and work together. Those are my strengths. I make things happen but I can’t be the face of a movement. I wish I could be. But it’s not for me.

Or personal attacks.

My belief is you should only use the methods and tactics utilized by the others to challenge. Anything beyond or less is necessary. Fight democracy ideology with democracy ideology. Fight republic ideology with republic ideology. Fight totalitarian ideology with totalitarian ideology.

Unnecessary*

Play the game being played, you know?

I would always rather maintain a position of integrity. But the phrase fight fire with fire exist for a reason.

I am all about integrity

I agree 100% there

Goodnight everyone ☺️

Later

Nite bro

Hope to chat again!

I shall

@Humanoid Typhoon I would have agreed a few days ago, but the people entering the capitol that did no harm to anyone, bared no weapons, didn't destroy the place, and someone got killed and they got DEFAMED and destroyed on social media makes me now think different.

It doesn't matter at all how civil you are with your protests, you will be labelled a white-supremist evil terrorist regardless what you do or don't do.

That is why 230 needs to be repealed.

^

It’s no longer about conflicting information it’s about false narratives to persuade the masses to believe things that are simply not true.

I'll leave a thought for later:

The problem is fighting one ideology with the constraints of another is apparent. If you look at Alinsky's rules for radicals, they exploit this weakness to gain a foothold.

Before you go to bed — there was no flaw or loophole in changing election law by circumventing the legislature, no? I feel this was synonymous to the time Dick Cheney shot that guy in the ass during a hunting trip and the guy apologized to him for being in the way!!

I will look into it. I try not to look at anything through the lens of my ideology. I am a right leaning independent. If I have to take an opposing view of mine to persuade somebody else that they are wrong then I will do it. The truth should never be constrained by an ideology.

I firmly believe the facts should standalone. Facts do not need interpretation.

Once the fact has been interpreted it is no longer a fact and it’s an opinion.

Facts need a day in fckn court

It's more of a tactic of I'm going to make you play by your rule set but I'm not. @Livingstone

But I’m also very OK with being wrong. I am a 1000% Grade A Fuck up.

Oooo. That Will be fun to read!

Ooo. That does sound lovely.

Thank you

I urge people to read Alinsky's but not because I appreciate his work and apply it to my life. It's more of a know thy enemy type relationship lol.

That is very important. I never like to go to something unprepared. I always try to make sure that I am familiar and preferably confident in opposing viewpoints prior to engaging. People’s views can and should be used against them to expose how there are potential flaws.

Don’t get me wrong. Everything man made has the potential to be flawed.

His last paragraph in his book forward sums things up.

Oh wow.

Once you get to know his works then you can do a little adventure and see what important political figures in the US studied under his tutelage and the bigger picture will become more clear.

Are you familiar with... GOTV And MiniVan?

Can't say that I am.

Ok. They are the organizations that fund most voting organizations. Owned by the same people/groups of people.

Deliberately fund opposing groups.

Sounds about right

People don’t talk about the funding for canvassing.

If people exposed how targeted canvassing and get out the vote projects are then they would be made illegal.

I think we can all agree the last thing the powers to be want are a unified people.

Kind of it doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes type deal?

Absolutely.

The problem lies within...if people do the canvassing can they do it without bias?...if not even machines aren't flawless because they are subjected to human bias.

It's a proverbial catch 22 if there ever was one.

The canvassing is decided upon by bias. They choose neighborhoods based on race and socioeconomic conditions. Then they push their agenda and make sure they are eligible to vote and if not help them get registered.

The machines are attached to the internet. That’s a huge fucking flaw.

100%

That's like begging for foreign interference

Trueees

It blows my mind. I really thought that would be illegal.

It was at one point but I assume but I struggle to find current law stating it’s legality.

Then you go into the realm of can you prove that someone did it intentionally or was it another "whoopsie."

Did they really take pelosis computer or hard drive?

I've been seeing the memes everywhere

And shit on her desk

Sorry. Very cracked screen.

I need to get out and get a new phone.

A dude did get arrested for shitting in her San fran house driveway

At least that trespassing wasn’t a felony

And I mean.

I wouldn’t object to someone doing it again

I think it's legal to pop a deuce on san fran streets

Which kind of humored me that Pelosi got the man arrested.

I would assume so given the percentage of homeless people and I am curious how that is being prosecuted when places in CA are not even prosecuting Drunk Driving And releasing prisoners

It’s very shady that that is Enforced while other horrendous acts are not.

Exactly. Some poor secret service guy probably had to pick it up.

Like literally I don't get paid enough for this shit.

I look at people like her and the last thing I think is government of the people by the people

I am really hoping that a movement to change the constitution and add an amendment for congress term limits will eventually happen.

Term limits absolutely

Couldn't agree more

I mean. Especially with career politicians, most of them have a goal of becoming president. Either that or they are content with taking people’s money and taking it and taking it and increasing their own payment and pensions and people forget that the government is a non-money making entity. It is solely paid for by the taxpayer.

I firmly believe that there needs to be a nationwide history program that teaches actual history and also teaches about the way the government works. I think it should not vary from state to state.

If it’s American history it should be the same across the board. History is not subject to how a state views it.