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Hi
there arent any ideology roles?
@Leiro ใฌใคใญ ideology roles? what is ur ideology?
I'm socialist.
but never mind, I would not expect yall to have ideologies since most rightists are Conservative or libertarian
so no need lul
@Leiro ใฌใคใญ u r not going to convince any one here to listen to ur Bullshit ideology
uhh
I was a capitalist until last week so yea I know how it's like.
but please, I didn't do anything.. so don't be that aggressive...
@Leiro ใฌใคใญ we know what socialism is and it never produced anything but distress and death
socialism is just like islam, a cancer on the world
examples?
historically speaking, we would still transition to socialism sometime or another.
pick any country where socialism worked
anywhere that socialism is incoperated is a Shithole
socialism cannot be implemented in our current society, it assumes that we need to have the industrial base of capitalism in order for socialism to succeed. The end goal of such a system is post scarcity. In any case, socialism cannot be fully developed in agrarian societies, it can only be developed in industrialised nations. Socialism was somewhat successfull in the post stalinist era and pre yeltsin and khrusvhev era.
almost every example of a socialist state originated from agrarian societies, not industralized societies.
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the result of this is the genocide of mass millions and the loss of intellectual beings.
although, I am not a stalinist, tankie or Marxist, the Soviet Union was somwhat industrialised compared to pre-great war levels within a short while, at the expense of millions of people.
they didn't want to get left behind by the west, so reforms were rushed.
and thus? millions dead.
by stalinist policies.
while on my point about society, historically speaking socialism is inevitable. This can be seen by feudalism in the middle ages, which transitioned to laissez faire capitalism in the 19th century, to the mixed economies of post-ww2 Western nations.
socialism like marxism and liberalism is just another flavor of communism
marxism is a derivative of socialism
and liberals aren't communists.
liberals are globalists.
same thing
and what does globalism mean?
International capitalism
globalists r communists
nope
globalists change their agenda whoever it suits them.
why do you think they oppress nationalists?
freer movement of capital, as well as unregulated open door policies of Muslim economic refugees flooding into Europe.
these Muslim refugees directly benefit from the welfare state, so it's in their interests to support the agenda of globalists.
globalists only care about themselves and their money
obviously
but you haven't replied on the why socialism hasnt worked.
I gave examples on why it didn't work.
it assumes that the industrial base built by capitalism is present.
in order for socialism to develop.
because socialism has never worked and u have not answered my ? on where has socailism worked
@desperado I have already told you why socialism hasnt worked.
I just said it just now.
it depends on the industrial base of capitalism to work.
these socialist states were agrarian, and were neither industralized nor were developed before the revolutions happens
then why r u a socialist
because inevitably, and historically speaking, the transition to socialism is inevitable, whether it takes decades or centuries.
when I was a capitalist, I was still a critic of it.
then what happened to Venezuela, once a thriving economy that is now a shithole
more than 70% of industry and capital is still privately owned in Venezuela.
so how is it socialist?
First of all, I want to know your definition of socialism.
The USA will never be a socialistic country and socialism is communism
I have no say on your first statement, and yes, communism is socialism but mostly based on marxian economics, moderate socialists like me do not believe in marxism or materialism.
and I want your definition of socialism.
u keep contradicting urself
how so?
explain.
socialism is communism
communism is based on Marxist and materialist principles. Socialism is based on neither of those principles.
it's clear you don't have a solid idea what socialism is.
first u say socialism is not communism the u agree it is
yes and no, communism happens when socialism transitions to communism, so it's socialist in that way. However, most Marxist principles do not apply under socialism.
ever since does socialism body materialism?
u don't understand what socialism is. ur waisting my time
you just reply by emojis or circular arguments when I make statements, this is not a healthy arguement desperado.
I asked you for your definition of socialism
I still haven't got it.
so who's wasting who's time?
**opposing viewpoints are welcome, but expect them to be challenged**
socialism takes from the producers and gives to the nonproducers
socialist produce nothing
so workers are nonproducers?
workers toiling in sweatshops are nonproducers?
heard of the concept of surplus value?
and wheres the definition of socialism?
yea they produce and r exploited by these socilistic countries
so workers are exploited by socialists?
mate, at this point I don't even know what to say.
capitalism builds wealth based off the labour of the workers.
under capitalism your hired for your mere ability to work, not the actual labour you expend and the socially productive hours spent making said goods.
I'm not interested to hear the marriam-webster definition, I'm interested in hearing ***your*** explanation.
I want to know what ***you*** think is the definition of socialism, not some dictionary.
socialist think the state should run everything, and the state should take from producers and give it to the people who don't produce anything
wrong.
socialism is when the workers democratically own the means of production.
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