u keep contradicting urself

how so?

explain.

socialism is communism

communism is based on Marxist and materialist principles. Socialism is based on neither of those principles.

it's clear you don't have a solid idea what socialism is.

first u say socialism is not communism the u agree it is

yes and no, communism happens when socialism transitions to communism, so it's socialist in that way. However, most Marxist principles do not apply under socialism.

ever since does socialism body materialism?

u don't understand what socialism is. ur waisting my time

you just reply by emojis or circular arguments when I make statements, this is not a healthy arguement desperado.

I asked you for your definition of socialism

I still haven't got it.

so who's wasting who's time?

**opposing viewpoints are welcome, but expect them to be challenged**

socialism takes from the producers and gives to the nonproducers

socialist produce nothing

so workers are nonproducers?

workers toiling in sweatshops are nonproducers?

heard of the concept of surplus value?

and wheres the definition of socialism?

yea they produce and r exploited by these socilistic countries

so workers are exploited by socialists?

mate, at this point I don't even know what to say.

capitalism builds wealth based off the labour of the workers.

under capitalism your hired for your mere ability to work, not the actual labour you expend and the socially productive hours spent making said goods.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

I'm not interested to hear the marriam-webster definition, I'm interested in hearing ***your*** explanation.

I want to know what ***you*** think is the definition of socialism, not some dictionary.

socialist think the state should run everything, and the state should take from producers and give it to the people who don't produce anything

wrong.

socialism is when the workers democratically own the means of production.

the state "running everything" is a fallacy.

by the way, what country r u from?

where did you get that assumption that socialism depends on the state running it?

I'm from Singapore, but that's irrelevant to the conversation.

because that is what socialists do

and no, we despise non-productive workers as much as capitalism.

the state "running everything" is state capitalism, not socialism.

i feel sorry for u having to live in a shithole

Singapore is a shit hole?