anywhere that socialism is incoperated is a Shithole

socialism cannot be implemented in our current society, it assumes that we need to have the industrial base of capitalism in order for socialism to succeed. The end goal of such a system is post scarcity. In any case, socialism cannot be fully developed in agrarian societies, it can only be developed in industrialised nations. Socialism was somewhat successfull in the post stalinist era and pre yeltsin and khrusvhev era.

almost every example of a socialist state originated from agrarian societies, not industralized societies.

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the result of this is the genocide of mass millions and the loss of intellectual beings.

although, I am not a stalinist, tankie or Marxist, the Soviet Union was somwhat industrialised compared to pre-great war levels within a short while, at the expense of millions of people.

they didn't want to get left behind by the west, so reforms were rushed.

and thus? millions dead.

by stalinist policies.

while on my point about society, historically speaking socialism is inevitable. This can be seen by feudalism in the middle ages, which transitioned to laissez faire capitalism in the 19th century, to the mixed economies of post-ww2 Western nations.

socialism like marxism and liberalism is just another flavor of communism

marxism is a derivative of socialism

and liberals aren't communists.

liberals are globalists.

same thing

and what does globalism mean?

International capitalism

globalists r communists

nope

globalists change their agenda whoever it suits them.

why do you think they oppress nationalists?

freer movement of capital, as well as unregulated open door policies of Muslim economic refugees flooding into Europe.

these Muslim refugees directly benefit from the welfare state, so it's in their interests to support the agenda of globalists.

globalists only care about themselves and their money

obviously

but you haven't replied on the why socialism hasnt worked.

I gave examples on why it didn't work.

it assumes that the industrial base built by capitalism is present.

in order for socialism to develop.

because socialism has never worked and u have not answered my ? on where has socailism worked

@desperado I have already told you why socialism hasnt worked.

I just said it just now.

it depends on the industrial base of capitalism to work.

these socialist states were agrarian, and were neither industralized nor were developed before the revolutions happens

then why r u a socialist

because inevitably, and historically speaking, the transition to socialism is inevitable, whether it takes decades or centuries.

when I was a capitalist, I was still a critic of it.

then what happened to Venezuela, once a thriving economy that is now a shithole

more than 70% of industry and capital is still privately owned in Venezuela.

so how is it socialist?

First of all, I want to know your definition of socialism.