it assumes that the industrial base built by capitalism is present.

in order for socialism to develop.

because socialism has never worked and u have not answered my ? on where has socailism worked

@desperado I have already told you why socialism hasnt worked.

I just said it just now.

it depends on the industrial base of capitalism to work.

these socialist states were agrarian, and were neither industralized nor were developed before the revolutions happens

then why r u a socialist

because inevitably, and historically speaking, the transition to socialism is inevitable, whether it takes decades or centuries.

when I was a capitalist, I was still a critic of it.

then what happened to Venezuela, once a thriving economy that is now a shithole

more than 70% of industry and capital is still privately owned in Venezuela.

so how is it socialist?

First of all, I want to know your definition of socialism.

The USA will never be a socialistic country and socialism is communism

I have no say on your first statement, and yes, communism is socialism but mostly based on marxian economics, moderate socialists like me do not believe in marxism or materialism.

and I want your definition of socialism.

u keep contradicting urself

how so?

explain.

socialism is communism

communism is based on Marxist and materialist principles. Socialism is based on neither of those principles.

it's clear you don't have a solid idea what socialism is.

first u say socialism is not communism the u agree it is

yes and no, communism happens when socialism transitions to communism, so it's socialist in that way. However, most Marxist principles do not apply under socialism.

ever since does socialism body materialism?

u don't understand what socialism is. ur waisting my time

you just reply by emojis or circular arguments when I make statements, this is not a healthy arguement desperado.

I asked you for your definition of socialism

I still haven't got it.

so who's wasting who's time?

**opposing viewpoints are welcome, but expect them to be challenged**

socialism takes from the producers and gives to the nonproducers

socialist produce nothing

so workers are nonproducers?

workers toiling in sweatshops are nonproducers?

heard of the concept of surplus value?

and wheres the definition of socialism?

yea they produce and r exploited by these socilistic countries

so workers are exploited by socialists?

mate, at this point I don't even know what to say.