There was no way the U.S knew they were discussing surrender

@Flash which meeting are you talking about?

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The Supreme war council

I think was the name of the group which met

and it took multiple cabinet meetings spanning 3 days to finally agree on surrending

@viridian Wher'd you go?

yeah

um idk if thats a good excuse for killing 120000 civilians

Again, civillians saw the emporer as a god and were killling themselves rather than surrender to U.S soldiers, plus we dropped leaflets ffs

leaflets didnt list hiroshima as a target

also, nagasaki leaflets were never dropped

ik what yr talking about, the lemay leaflets

also do you have a non american source in the supposed "millions of civilians ready to kill themselves rather than surredner"

what happened to these supposed people when japan surrendered?

also if by killing themselves you mean jumping off cliffs

,like some of them did

that wouldnt make an invasion harder

that and komikaze

(the invasion never even occured anyways because of the russians declaring war and invading a japanese territory)

kamikazee

there was no way japan was capable of staying in china

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>admits japaneese were killng themselves rather than surrendering

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@Flash people killing themselves doesn't make it harder for the us to invade

if anything they were brainwashed and believed the Japanese propoganda that the us was gonna like, rape them and their children

What does how hard it would be for the us to invade have to do with this? We know a U.S invasion would have costed 2 million lives at least

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Who is that?

@Flash the estimates were from 200thousand to 2 million

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and at the most the nukes killed 135k people

135k civilians

and once again

japan surrendered without an invasion

AND

without taking into significant account the atomic bombing

of nagasaki at the very least

"I consider the Joint Proclamation a rehash of the Declaration at the Cairo Conference. As for the Government, it does not attach any important value to it at all. The only thing to do is just kill it with silence .We will do nothing but press on to the bitter end to bring about a successful completion of the war."

-Kantarō Suzuki, prime minister of Japan, July 28, 1945

he said this a week before the nuking of Hiroshima

"Our decision to seek a way out of this war, was made in early June before any atomic bomb had been dropped and Russia had not entered the war. It was already our decision."

-Koichi Kido, Japan's Lord Privy Seal and a close advisor to the Emperor

They should have bloody said they were discussing surrender then

"America's leaders understood Japan's desperate position: the Japanese were willing to end the war on any terms, as long as the Emperor was not molested. If the US leadership had not insisted on unconditional surrender -- that is, if they had made clear a willingness to permit the Emperor to remain in place -- the Japanese very likely would have surrendered immediately, thus saving many thousands of lives.
The sad irony is that, as it actually turned out, the American leaders decided anyway to retain the Emperor as a symbol of authority and continuity. They realized, correctly, that Hirohito was useful as a figurehead prop for their own occupation authority in postwar Japan."

-mark weber ihr

they did multiple times, but wanted surrender where they kept the emporor

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The united states declined this until the end

If they had simply allowed complete surrender without molestation of the emperor, they would save the "bajillion american lives" and not have to intentionally kill 200k civilians

they also approached russia multiple times

The emporer was running a dictatorship, so I'm not sure how we could have let him stay without him re-building japan back into a war machine.

The atomic bomb was used at a time when Japan's navy was sunk, her air force virtually destroyed, her homeland surrounded, and her supplies cut off,

If you go into a country that is doing terrible things and don't remove the people who authorized those things then what was the point?

the emporer is a token figure

wh

Then what would letting them keep the emporer mean lol

hes a figurehead

I'ts not like we killed him

and Japan still has an empire today

We let them keep the emporer in the end

*emporer

Thats the irony

we could have accepted their surrender terms earlier and not massacred civilians if u think about it

the united states eventually accepted to leave the emporer be as to please the japanese masses and use him as a way to further push their influences

"It is my opinion that the use of the barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan ... The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons"

-Admiral Leahy, chief of staff to both american presidents during ww2

human like weapon, gice him a weapon he will want to use it

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Opinion, not fact

give the fatman tu us military, oh we need something to test it

hiroshima 180k death ? oh it was luck retry it

Even after the atomic bombing, Japan's cabinet and "the big six" were having trouble deciding on surrendering

nagazaki 80k death ? i think its a good weapon

It wasn't until 3 days after Nagasaki that they finally agreed on surrendering

theres also an analysis of the atomic bombs being dropped by the United States Strategic Bombing Survey

do u want that too

Wait, are we *still* going on about the bombs?

What does that have to do with it?

it basically says the atomic bomb nor full scale invasion was not neccesary for japan to surrender

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