Would anyone be interested in a debate?

Just to be clear I am a centrist so don't worry about me being a libtard lmao.

What does being a libtard mean?

Do you assume your political position as a centrist so you can embrace some of the humanitarian arguments proposed by the left while still avoiding the “horrors” of leftist rhetoric?

No I literally unironically dislike both sides. The end.

But I'd love to have a conversation if you're willing

What would you like to talk about

@Anguished Art Student @toasttrtf

Here guys

Ok!

Wait

Dang it he left 😂

Lol

I think he got offended maybe

WTF 😂

Was my bad probably 😔 Sowwyy

Lol

He probably got bored Lol

Ah okay LOL

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What did you want to debate about? @Anguished Art Student

I’m a firm believer in UBI being better than the current stimulus package, try to prove me wrong!

Universal Basic Income?

Yep!

Have we seen it in action?

Not on a large scale...

In terms of getting through this pandemic, probably yeah. Considering UBI takes into consideration everything else in the economy and the cost of living whereas the stimulus is temporary

Not much of an argument there

Long term, neither are feasible

True!

So we probably agree on that one xD

But if we are talking about the short term universal basic income will better sustain our economy

Prob Lol

Still

Many people on the Right refuse to accept it because of the Leftist stigma surrounding it

Yes short term UBI would be more reliable for everyone out of work

It's just not feasible for long term

Stimulus package is just a lot of hopeful wishing and waiting

But we also need to find a way to decrease it and promote a return to the work force

So people dont become too dependant on it once covid blows over

While UBI keeps our economy treading water until we recover

Exactly

Because so far many people have been struggling horribly due to loss of work and businesses have had to close permanently

Yep!

Yes I also agree

UBI is better in that case

And I feel like the stimulus package is just something they threw together real quick

Without giving it much thought

If UBI was implemented, more work would go into it

Im sure they did give it a lot of thought but honestly, a stimulus package doesnt do anything long term. Thats where the flaw is

In other words, They didn’t learn from the recession & are implementing the same ideas to something different

ORRRRR we could not close down the economy

And put priority on the elderly or those most vulnerable

@Mystika What do you mean by Priority?

Now I dont like closing the economy; however, if done, it should be state by state basis, or even county by county, and should have been done sooner to halt the spread. Even with them promoting lockdowns, they did it way too late for it to really be effective.

Agreed!

This isn’t really a debate anymore Lol

It’s just stating facts that are cut from the same cloth

Well I work in healthcare

I mean putting priority on long term care facilities or senior homes

Putting more restrictions on the vulnerable

Yes, thats where the death toll really is

Because many younger people have gotten it and have been able to isolate at home and get over it

I’m still a student so I experience so I don’t really benefit or lose anything from closures

But then people would have issue with just restricting a certain group of people

The fact that people are getting arrested for keeping their businesses open is bewildering to me

No I just meant I work in healthcare so I see the type of people who have to get hospitalized due to covid vs those who don't have to

True

Oh, I’m sorry!

It's either that or the economy

I got confused Lol

We have a pretty good life expectancy here, right?

@Anguished Art Student no don't be sorry :)

I know, but its America. People are very defensive over that sort of thing.

If one thing can really define our culture, its rebellion. Lol

Lmao, you take the risk and go outside when you're vulnerable, well too bad. It shouldn't be the governments job to force people

Right. Then theres the issue of overburdening healthcare though

Maybe it's different for me. Everyone in Canada is too obedient without questioning anything so it's the exact opposite

True, the purpose of a government is to dictate & limit. Not control.

The people that land in ICU are people with pre-existing conditions and the elderly

So it still goes back to them

I have yet to see a case of anyone under 35 in the ICU for covid

In my hospital at least

Interesting...

@Anguished Art Student also just an FYI that at the start of covid, they were declaring all deaths as covid deaths and I'm not sure why. Just something to ponder about

Meaning they didn't bother to do autopsies and just declared them as covid deaths

is this even a debate

There is also the issue of flawed testing where they have false positives, even for people who skipped testing altogether

We are discussing things to see where our opinions may differ. That is where debate begins.

@Mystika, this is the same government that tried to hide COVID, saying it would pass in a couple months... -I’m not surprised

Idk if that's because the risk of the autopsy if the patient did have covid was big, like many people didn't want to do the autopsy in case they did have covid because we didn't know much about the virus back then

@Anguished Art Student I live in Canada

Ohhh

We also said it would pass soon here

And everywhere in the world said that

They weren't hiding covid. They were up front about it being an issue while trying to remain optimistic. Look at where the fear got us: empty store shelves, no toilet paper, people panicking, etc.

The American government acted similar to the rest of the world when handling covid, but no other government got as much hate

I love Americans but y'all just love to hate LMAO

Because no other country had a guy that claims windmills where dangerous as president

We closed the borders pretty quickly due to covid. What happened? There were claims of xenophobia while democrats urged people to go to chinatown and dance with asians to fight racism.