Any one of us can be drafted immediately.

All accounts can be frozen/confiscated.

Hmmm in 2016 girls say "your smile is beautiful!!" "Don't look gloomy" but didn't studies say girls love when a man is miserable?

The government has entire control over our lives if you truly understand it.

@machtyn How can you say "that's simply it. oh well" and still think that you have more control than you really do?

@IceRGodZ Who cares what women want 😄

What do they want LOL

So what you guys are saying is true. But to me a better viewpoint is how can I live my life how I want. If there are hurdles figure a way around them. Don't focus on the obstacle look for the path over or around it.

@Seven Of Swords Your reading my statement as nihilistic but it's not. It's not "oh well." What would you suggest we do? The only options were the ones I listed. You can lobby for political change.

These social institutions are pretty much holding you at gunpoint to play otherwise you will starve to death or be thrown in a a cage...

@Seven Of Swords yes.

If you don't pay taxes, men with guns will find you.

@Lilu Agree!

You can work for cash. Travel to a different country do maritime work, start a business etc....

Yes, you can live off the grid as much as possible or leave or both.

Or, lobby for change.

What you pay to Cesar, you pay to Cesar, what you pay to God, you pay to God

@machtyn So are you in favor of the system that will hunt you down if you do not give them arbitrary paper strips when they arbitrarily decide that they want it?

or you can just pay the taxes and save up and get out of the system as quickly as possible.

Sounds like robbery...

@Seven Of Swords You're personally MGTOW but you're politically trying to affect change. I just want you to see that irony 😄 I agree with you that it's a fucked system.

I'm not MGTOW...

@Seven Of Swords Oh no... don't get me wrong. I am a libertarian/minarchist.

@Seven Of Swords Oh, apologies.

ya it's robbery. you can fight the " good fight " or you can focus on living a life that you enjoy.

I want small government and markets to do the rest.

full MGTOW is different than an apprentice to MGTOW. Or a bit of MGTOW embedded

@IceRGodZ Like it 😄

@Lilu But what happens when you cannot live the life that you want to enjoy because of the very institutions that demands that you can only enjoy your life within the boundaries that itself has created?

MGTOW and black pill seem to be closely tied together.

@Seven Of Swords Taxes/Inflation (a form of tax due to fiat currency) have always been robbery.

@machtyn Are you ok with being robbed?

you can always live a life that you enjoy.

Especially when you consider 75%-80% of spending is on welfare... it's charity in my eyes.

You can have tax reductions

@Lilu What if I wanted to live a life without the government stepping in all of the time? What if I want a life without wage labor?

shit happens in life. I'm not saying that I agree with it. I'm just saying that you have to pick your fights and focus on what you can change

@Seven Of Swords I make 65-70k. I pay 10-15k in taxes because I max out my tax advantaged accounts to lower tax bills. I spend 10-15k per year. I invest the rest. You can easily save 1-2 million within 10-15 years and live off it.

You invest to help the society, you aren't being a slave to the government or conpany

@Seven Of Swords No, but unless I want to be imprisoned I cannot fight back. There is no "protesting" taxation.

still taxes, but it's lowered hence beneficial

@Seven Of Swords Sadly, you have to provide value in some manner to earn money.

@machtyn Why?

Why are you entitled to anything if you don't create value?

Why are you trying to defend the very system that you just said has plenty of problems that you wouldn't like int he first place?

If someone walks up to you and puts a gun to your face and asks for your wallet and you have $100 in it... you can decide that it's not right what that guy is doing and fight him to keep your wallet or you can say " it's just $100 I can make that again pretty easily "

@IceRGodZ Yes, lower taxes as much as possible but at the end of the day... think about it as charity to make it less painful lol.

@machtyn What do you mean by "create value"?

@Seven Of Swords I'm not defending it. It's the system we're in. I don't defend female nature. I explain and understand it.

Because the current system doesn't create value, it only creates a values within a market of exchanges...

If you want value you need to provide value. The most common way to provide value is a just over broke (job) or selling services, information, products, etc.

Government rewards you for not relying on them lol

So corporation are created by the government and they have every right to tax them. However corporations pay very little tax. You an start a corp and have it pay for your car, your phone, internet insurance, etc... and deduct all of it from taxes

Yes, these markets of exchange will demand certain value it wants

they wont reward people on welfare TECHNICALLY

@Lilu Oh... tell me more.

@Lilu I currently max out 401k, Traditional/Roth IRA and HSA. Everything goes into my brokerage account. I treat my savings account as my brokerage account.

@machtyn Then by definition, people are not creating value, only the market of exchanges displays what the value of a commodity is only in relation to other commodities.... The individual plays no role in determining what have value and what does not...

You can get your taxes very low if you want. Or you can bitch about how unfair that they are. I'm just saying the main viewpoint should be " what can I do " not " what can't I do ".

@Seven Of Swords The market is composed of individuals so yes and no.

@Lilu Why not 0 taxes?

401K LOL

what a joke.

I'm not an investment guru. I just know people that own their own business and get a lot of their expenses written off as business expenses.

@machtyn Then why can't individuals simply decide next Tuesday that the exchange market is dogshit and stop having faith in it?

@Seven Of Swords All governments are socialized to a specific degree. Small governments provide base necessities of a nation (military, police, courts). Less services = less taxes.

Penalties when you lay your hands on your money? Bank stealing since they are babysitting it?

so you get the company to pay for things like your car and then that becomes tax deductible.

Fees?

@machtyn Why don't people just stop believing in government?

Fuck that steaming bullshit

@Lilu I will look into that. LLC/Sole Proprietor?

@Seven Of Swords Because people are fucking weak.

Hmmm...

We killed religion so government has become it. Women don't need fathers anymore because of government.

@Seven Of Swords Tell that to the people in Venezuela LOL

again I'm not the guy to ask. I'm just saying if you want to pay less in taxes then you need to work for yourself

A lot of reasons my dude.

JUNYOR AFK,,, Will be thinking of you all.

Not really work for yourself. Own a business or start investing smart

maritime work for example is free from income tax since the labor is done on the open seas.

Ya there are a million ways

@IceRGodZ How do you own a business?

Employment, self-employment, business man, investor

@IceRGodZ I disagree. I don't need to ever touch my 401k and I contribute tax-free and it grows tax-free. When I retire my income will be small so taxes will be small. I invest in low-fee (0.04%) etfs that return 12% (past 20 years).

the point is that the blue pilled sheeple path is slavery

ESBI

@IceRGodZ Explicitly explain every step of the process in order to achieve that end, in significant detail please.

I thought the bank changes fees for 401K

and they babysit your money

if you want freedom you have to look for freedom. If you are looking for what is holding you back you can only find limitation.

@Seven Of Swords Find a product, service or information to sell. Contact local government for licensing fee (less than $200). Start selling.

Or go sole proprietor and just sell using your SSN instead of an "EIN" or whatever it's called.

You could learn a trade or become a handy man and do work for cash

@IceRGodZ Fuck no. I have my 401k in a brokerage. There are "active management funds" with insane fees where they fuck you. I do "passive investing." Google "The simple path to wealth .pdf" and enjoy 😉

@Lilu You are at risk if you become too successful though.

Cash or not, you "owe" a % to the gov.

@machtyn So just start selling shit with a 200 dollar investment that you don't know if you will be successful or not? Running a business costs more than 200$ so any attempt to build the business that is more than the license means that you lost more than you put in. Unless you suggest to take out a loan and get into debt based upon nothing more than a "maybe"... which seems very unwise to me.

If you're on their radar you get fucked.

I have to jump in the shower and then head out guys. So I'll TTYL.