@Lilu What books or content creators do you mostly consume relating to that mindset? I always kind of knew but heard it verbalized by Jocko Willink and others.

I believe life is all about perspective. In MGTOW circles I try to bring things back to a perspective that keeps personal power and control over one's life at the forefront.

@Lilu Is it more like your class got screwed over in WoW or is perhaps more like you are strapped to a chair and made to play WoW with the class that got the short end of the stick and you cannot change characters at gunpoint? Then you notice that tons of other people are in the same situation...

@Lilu Amen 😉

@Lilu How do you have personal power when you cannot even have the power to live how you want?

I'm 47 so I've been around and can't fully recall where all of my base viewpoints came from.

I must ask, is it a bad thing when a girl wants you to smile and not look grumpy?

@Seven Of Swords Yeah, we're all on the American Government Platform (tm). We have to pay taxes to exist here. You can leave to another country, go off the grid as much as possible or try lobbying for change.

@machtyn Ok... why should there be taxation?

@Lilu I'd love to chat sometime and encourage you to write an article on responsibility. It's very Stoic. I love it.

So it's nearly impossible to smile and still be angry. Likewise the act of standing tall with your head highand shoulders straight makes you confident.

@Seven Of Swords It's not why it's what is. Same with why is female nature this or that. It is. Thus, you need to take control over your small circle of influence within it. The government SHOULD be small. It shouldn't have any welfare. It should just protect/serve/basic infrastructure and taxes supply that.

Going "off the grid" is pretty much impossible because the Government declared that all land that isn't privatized is its own... because of its own sovereignty.

Yes, imminent domain.

Any one of us can be drafted immediately.

All accounts can be frozen/confiscated.

Hmmm in 2016 girls say "your smile is beautiful!!" "Don't look gloomy" but didn't studies say girls love when a man is miserable?

The government has entire control over our lives if you truly understand it.

@machtyn How can you say "that's simply it. oh well" and still think that you have more control than you really do?

@IceRGodZ Who cares what women want 😄

What do they want LOL

So what you guys are saying is true. But to me a better viewpoint is how can I live my life how I want. If there are hurdles figure a way around them. Don't focus on the obstacle look for the path over or around it.

@Seven Of Swords Your reading my statement as nihilistic but it's not. It's not "oh well." What would you suggest we do? The only options were the ones I listed. You can lobby for political change.

These social institutions are pretty much holding you at gunpoint to play otherwise you will starve to death or be thrown in a a cage...

@Seven Of Swords yes.

If you don't pay taxes, men with guns will find you.

@Lilu Agree!

You can work for cash. Travel to a different country do maritime work, start a business etc....

Yes, you can live off the grid as much as possible or leave or both.

Or, lobby for change.

What you pay to Cesar, you pay to Cesar, what you pay to God, you pay to God

@machtyn So are you in favor of the system that will hunt you down if you do not give them arbitrary paper strips when they arbitrarily decide that they want it?

or you can just pay the taxes and save up and get out of the system as quickly as possible.

Sounds like robbery...

@Seven Of Swords You're personally MGTOW but you're politically trying to affect change. I just want you to see that irony 😄 I agree with you that it's a fucked system.

I'm not MGTOW...

@Seven Of Swords Oh no... don't get me wrong. I am a libertarian/minarchist.

@Seven Of Swords Oh, apologies.

ya it's robbery. you can fight the " good fight " or you can focus on living a life that you enjoy.

I want small government and markets to do the rest.

full MGTOW is different than an apprentice to MGTOW. Or a bit of MGTOW embedded