#FUCKCLAYTONSPICKAXE

Clayton 2: wheres your pickaxe, bitch?

LMFAO

A MGTOW magazine would be a good idea I agree

But I feel the mainstream opinion would help challenege its presence.....

MGTOWS would be most odf the problem. All trying to out "MGTOW" each other......see it on this forum daily

how do you out mgtow another man

I see what you're saying Mod1 I kinda agree

Make it digital format, an app form. Charge $2 per issue. Or something reasonable.

I've been a MGTOW since the 1990's.....before there was a term for it....now, with that said, I did not "invent" it, nor am I some "monk" or on some higher plane.............but for the past couple of years, I got 18 year olds tellin' me I am not MGTOW or somehow lacking..........and there really isn't anything to say to anyone. Everyone has "done" everything already

Fuck that Mod1, you do you

Hard to convey into words.....I admit I am not the smartest guy around

I do......and everyone has done it, I really have nothing to say or offer the community. I like some blogs and videos........and I get it

I admire a lot of guys out there.....young and old......but I get more fellowship with people out there in general

lol That's the case with everything that eventually becomes popular.

most are not MGTOW

is it?

Pretty much. The new ones tend to make it about who is real and who is not.

Ego trips, the lot

There isn't room in MGTOW for most men sadly, they would not be welcome

what do you mean?

I think there's enough room, but most men would not feel comfortable in MGTOW.

Men are not built to be MGTOW these days.

Including most in MGTOW

you mean going full monk?

or just dipping your toe in for entertainment

Well that's why there's different recognizable levels of MGTOW.

Everyone has their own journey.

some levels are more "welcome" than others

I think too many MGTOW project the idea that we all must be on the same level at all times.

Each level, I think, has it's extremists. Like most social groups or ideologies in general.

so the extremist tend to push people away, is that what you mean?

.... I mean, extremists tend to attack those who are even slightly not on their particular course.

right

I've witnessed a scene (MGTOW) that has turned into mostly talking about women, talking about how many were nailed / bedded / bent over and then in the same breath saying how "they're all sluts"

youre right, I dont think thats a good message

should be about finding your own unique path, which may or may not cross others paths

I wouldn't be surprised to see those of that type end up back on the plantation

A scene where every guy is now some amazin' Alpha........

Yeah, I think far too much MGTOW content is on women, instead of self-actualization. But it's weird because I think many creators feel the need to cater to the new MGTOW who are still raging about women.

And far too many creators are obsessed with building a "channel" and having "subs" instead of creating content.

and like I said earlier.....differ from the excat lockstep at the moment......out comes the put downs, crass talk...........

Isnt the point to stop wasting time on the traditional roles, and find something more creative and fulfilling purposes

^

I agree with these sentiments

and you'll frequently find me talking about doing things to advance myself in life

I like the idea of mentoring other men to be their best... through training, business, and attitude

yes

So much whinging about women but the reason we're here is we all known women are fucked, lets work on being the best people we can

so....this is where I am at..........look, I've had some adventures, and believe it or not......you're not the same person you are at 20, 27,35, 47

In the end it's interesting because as "MGTOW" grows, many different people adopt it, for many different reasons. So what the meaning of it is becomes convoluted.

nah the meaning stays the same

"men going their own way", that's it

living live to fulfil yourself

anytime now, women are going to be allowed.........wait and see

a neverending quest for self improvement

How you go about that may differ

Means something a little different to each of us

but there's no nuance

That's what many would say, but it gets clouded when people start attacking one another.

In the end it's about going your own way.

depends on which way is "allowed" at the moment

and quiet the noise to allow better quality use of your senses and resources

Well nothing is truly "allowed". There are no rules. We all choose which communities we adopt.

like that cup analogy, you have to empty the contents to have something new

lol

inaccurate Muffle...but I will let that go

lol

I don't know about anyone else, but I make my own rules in MGTOW. Just because mine tend to be common and popular among many other MGTOW doesn't mean I am following anyone else's rules.

I go my own way. I always have and I always will.

The minute that my way is not welcomed, I leave.

Simple.

I make my own rules, I have my path, I'm just observing MGTOW and am finding similar conclusions about life

but someone elses way is "wrong"

Wrong is a subjective, relative opinion.

it can be when they are in opposition, we all want things to make sense for us

I've been in this forum only a short time.........and I see a very "this is MGTOW" don't like it, leave

Well that's to be expected.

me too

We're all individuals with individual drives and beliefs. Strong opinions.

There is no one way.

I hear people talking like they are preaching

in an authoritative way

Possibly just a bulwark for trolls, I haven't seen any here, but plenty in other MGTOW spheres

rather than an open respectable discussion

When it gets to be too out of hand, people are removed. This is generally a respectful place. But no one can tell you or anyone how to live your life.

It shouldn't be a surprise that people will try to.

It's up to you to know better.

I try to hold off on my opinions or ideas....because the few I have expressed I have been told that I am wrong.............I've heard so really outreageous BS in this place. I tried to give my opinion, was pretty much shut down for going against the grain....yet you all say "go your own way" that is unless.........it isn't "our way"

I feel you.

no you don't

I generally don't give my opinions for the same reason.

Thats just best to ignore when they try

but eventually I realized that I don't need my opinions validated.

People will always try to add their two cents.

You will always be wrong to one or two or a few.

people need their opinions challenged...and not confrontational per say..........

Agreed.

I started to tell a pretty crazy story, but it got shot down in less than 5 minutes

happens all the time here