Message from @Dusty Morgan
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What is wrong with it
Wonder what happen to PEW.
Like TRN
Illegal immigrants... people who shouldn't be here in the first place.
Putting a 21.6 billion dollar drain on United States Economy.
That is a pretty hefty price tag to care for people who are NOT citizens.
Okay mark, how is a wall supposed to stop them being able to transfer money back to Mexico?
It doesn't stop them, it slows them down to a managable level.
Where we can actual handle the numbers of illegal immigrants coming in.
You erect a dam to hold back a flood water that will flood your town. A metaphor.
There is no way to completely stop illegal immigration, but we can manage it better by slowing it down to a trickle.
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It does not really, form the article Rouqen posted: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/02/10/514172676/mexicans-in-the-u-s-are-sending-home-more-money-than-ever
Migration might have slow down, but it aint denting the the money transfers. The wall is going to barely put a dent in this problem of money getting sent to Mexico.
That money transfer is from people who are already inside.
We don't want the number to grow at a rate we can't manage.
So that is why we have two agencies.
Ice who finds and deports those inside United States.
And Border Patrol who keeps people from getting in.
Or helps replace aging border walls that are partially complete or decaying.
I dunno, the thing for the wall for me is it just does not seem practical or effective for what it is trying to accomplish, it's effectiveness against illegal immigration is as far as I can tell utterly overblown.
Also let us not forget the Anarchist bombings in the US that threw more oil on that fire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_United_States_anarchist_bombings
Whoops, I confused the Red Scare With the Red Terror, that is a bit embarrassing.
pretty crazy tho... lenin survived a shot in the neck
I always wonder what a USSR under Leon Trotsky rather than Stalin would be like considering how badly Lenin did not want Stalin running the show.
Lenin was no saint. Plenty of blood on his hands. Communists have done a bang-up job of sanitizing the record though.
"Comrades! The kulak uprising in your five districts must be crushed without pity ... You must make example of these people. (1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers. (2) Publish their names. (3) Seize all their grain. (4) Single out the hostages per my instructions in yesterday's telegram. Do all this so that for miles around people see it all, understand it, tremble, and tell themselves that we are killing the bloodthirsty kulaks and that we will continue to do so ... Yours, Lenin. P.S. Find tougher people."
They heap all the blame on Stalin in order to cleanse Lenin and Trotsky and canonize them.
But they're all the same type of monster.
You know, one of the worst things the Germans in WW1 seemed to have done is sending the Communist revolutionaries into Russia.
Though the WW1 Germans also carried out collective punishments on their enemies' civilian populations.
One of the worst things the Germans in WW1 did was not shoot von Hotzendorf and take command of the Austro-Hungarian army.
I have a lot of unconventional thoughts with respect to WW1.
Most of them involve shooting von Hotzendorf.
Is shooting Hotzendorf for strategical error or for humanitarian disasters under him?
Pretty much the entire war can be blamed on his incessant war-mongering and criminal incompetence.