Almost any time someone names a system they feel works really well, it's 2 tier

youre probably looking at the worst healthcare system eg canada and thinking, hey thats what government run healthcare look like

You could just masturbate into printer cartridges to save money on toner

🤔

Again, every time someone has named a "good" government healthcare system it's been a 2 tier system, not solely single payer

in terms of wait time, efficiency, timeliness of care, speed of recovery.. the UK is number 1 in all of these

Sometimes solo is the way to go

Like fallout

>the government that denies people other healthcare options

US is 11th

Wait is Terry Davis a pedophile 🤔🤔

>the healthcare system everyone is panicking over

which government are you talking about?

You're in Canada, Beemann? What do you dislike about the system there?

cos many people here have private insurance from the company they work for

not that they use it

I'm talking about the UK government

cos if you use it you have to pay the excess

>Canada healthcare

Time based system?

Just an international perspective. There are many ways to achieve universal health care. The most extreme is the total nationalization of the health service, as seen i Great Britain with the NHS. I think the “bernie” way to choose the nordic models is a poor fit for the US, we have different way to organize the public sector. My personal opinion, the USA can cheapest and most effective do this by be inspired by the Schweiz model. (I am a native nordic)

Yeah because that's good

People who use healthcare less over a period of time will get cuts if the need the help

And the issue with the system in Canada is that it's underfunded and overburdened

Most hospitals are at or over capacity

@Beemann you have private insurance in the UK... so... youre wrong... 😛

I dislike the Canadian healthcare system, it is too ineffective

Doesn't stop the government from denying people options

See: Alfie Evans

Wasn’t that an ethics thing?

oh yeah.. you mean the kid that the american docs said we can definitly help... then came over and said, no we would never have been able to help

I think it was somewhere else

So wait times are an issue?

But England was like “fuck dat shit RULE BRITTANIA OUR HEALTHCARE IS THE BEST! LET THE CHILD DIE TO PROVE A POINT!”

on average the wait times in the UK are 30% less than the US

the child was already brain dead

US is a larger area and hospitals are pretty far from each other

what does that have to do with wait times?

Yeah, I haven't really heard any complaints from people in the UK.

Ehh

wait times means your already at the hospital... in a waiting room