So because I disagree fundamentally on the role of government and oppose the 'great society'

So argue with someone else.

1) cost of living is not 10k, welfare is more than cost of living
2) not including kids doesn't make any sense, since they still cost money and you're knocking out the systems governments use to incentivize childrearing
3) there's no reason to believe fraud would not still occur
4) rent is not the primary method of real estate cash accumulation
5) ignores the reasons for high healthcare cost in the US
6) military meme https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-military-budget-components-challenges-growth-3306320
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/U.S._Federal_Spending.png/800px-U.S._Federal_Spending.png

Why would you include kids?

Because kids are citizens with a cost of living

```3) there's no reason to believe fraud would not still occur```
???
Alright?

Did you know the reason there are carvings on the sides of coins?

He made some valid points as to why it's debatably better than current social programs

Because people used to whittle away at them and making counterfeit coins out of the real material.

But those current social programs are a mess for other reasons.

>we save money by not having to deal with bureaucracy due to fraud, making sure people get their cash
>no reasons why UBI avoids this

Well, it's universal.

The inflation and trickle down thing is a whole nother list

Appapappa

Stop

It's universal. How can you fraud it? You're a person.

"My dead grandmother isn't dead lol"

Presumably it compacts the numerous programs into one streamlined social program

People already do that shit

Collect cheques from dead people

That's why it would 'save money'

Welfare has so many other conditions.

It's really nosey why you qualify or why you don't.

If you're divorced you make more, for example.

Yes, but there's a difference between "save money on" and "doesn't need"

UBI doesn't have that level of minutiae.

Are you denying that these things are important.

Really.

You still need admin, and a lot of it

Not as much, right?

Admit this or I'm putting you in the same camp as Blackhawk and Rye.

Possibly, depends on how its handled

Lol

"Possibly"

Fuck you.

I'll take that as a dishonorable "Yes, you're right"

Agree or gulag comrade

I've seen people fuck up simpler concepts

Okay, so I'd ask them not to fuck up what's on the tin

"What if you buy chocolate, AND IT'S POOP?!"

Never underestimate the bureaucracy