Message from @Ottobon
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I thought we did.
nope
@Dusty Morgan i think your perception of McCarthy is skewed.
Nope. The us has a real communist party...and a real nazi party.
That's the price of freedom.
```There are lots of other things Trump can do. ```
Yes, delete his Twitter Account and move to Minds and Gab would be a start.
I don't want to ban them. I want them to self proclaim so I know who they are.
We do a pretty good job of educating the normies as to why nazism and fascism are bad, but we do a really, really shitty job of educating people as to why communism and totalitarian socialism are bad.
No, we need to expose those ideas and show them how terrible they are. Freedom of speech is an underrated value in the west.
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No exceptions to freedom of speech.
Raise your hand if you were taught about the holodomor or Stalin's purges.
@devpav *Mark, that violence is just pushing the old center-left further toward Trump.*
Sadly i don't think this is often true, most center libs will quietly dislike their own but still vote for them, it varies based off demographics and whatnot id assume.
The only one that you really can argue for are the ones *actually* implied by the paradox of tolerance. Which has to deal not with "tolerance" in the modern sense of the word but in things like those that would kill off ideas like freedom of speech.
Ottobon, Exactly.
I mean Solzhenitsyn is not ten years dead and we have university students praising gulags for being humane.
if you live in a big city and are strongly classical liberal you are unlikely to vote republican (specifically someone firmly oldschool right like trump) regardless
The only people invoking the paradox of tolerance in 2018 are authoritarian leftists.
At this point yes.
i think a good argument could be made, it would help ALOT if there was a voice for more center left to call out their further left elements, but it gets into the cultural problem we currently suffer where most people don't easily identify when the left is too far left (they may on personal level but can't usually word it/feel ability to speak out)
They don't understand it.
Well, I guess it's being invoked implicitly by anyone advocating for physical removal of commies.
They've already stretched the paradox of tolerance beyond breaking by entwining it with muh hate speech.
They think "tolerance" is the meaning they have in mind for it.
They seem to equate 'tolerance' with PC.
If we ban ideas, the people holding them are just going to grow in the shadows and be more extreme than they are now.
Socialism or Communism means seizing of private property and fruits of labor by the government. That means your homes, cars, etc are taken by the government. You will also maybe 20% of your paycheck if they are feeling generous, not to mention that they can easily de-platform and censor the news because they own it. The people would be clueless to what is really happening and will suffer. The Economy would tank because there is no free market anymore because the government owns it, leading to massive inflation like we seen in Venezuela. They would then start printing money to try to off-set that inflation, but it will in the end make it even worse.
They unironically believe this
becuz they dont learn about history in skool ANYMORE
The paradox of tolerance doesn't bar discourse with Islamic fundamentalists or anybody else.
Anytime someone speaks about Tolerance and Equality, I immediately have a twitch in my right eye.
I am not lying, I have a twitch whenever I hear people like that.
Those type of people are hypocritical and straight up ignorant to the suffer they cause.
*goes into boomer mode*
😂 😂 😂 😂
FUCKING LIBTARDS CAN'T BUILD PCS AND THEY HATE FREE SPEECH
huh?
they can't build pc?
Check the newsroom. There's a couple vides making fun of them.
One's kinda overplaying a racist stereotype.