ya but it was still a great popcorn movie of the 90s

The point is shooting stuff! And explosions!

if not one of the best of them

Was I spot on re: the subject of the BioShock vid? Because that's where I'd go with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KZ1EKZDySk

That's the video if you want to judge for yourself.

On data, will check when I get home

But I think he was on Rand's side. Gave some good points on where Ryan went wrong.

Tbh BioShock is one of those games I feel only succeeded to the extent that it did because of when it came out

Oh I would approach it from an authorial standpoint entirely

so did you make the video you linked beeman?

Though from the sounds of things parts of it were done against Levine's original vision, so I can't fault him too much

Hm?

I don't think I've linked any of my videos

They're all raw gameplay

my bad, i thought you had linked the first video

Ah

oh that was everyone

But yeah the main issue with BioShock is that there's no cause that leads to the effect the player runs into

It's just the usual "no goberment = one dude will murder everyone in the area and they'll be unable to stop him because he has one gun" shit

the rambo effect

You're just talking about the gameplay, right Beemann?

Narrative

The gameplay of BioShock is like... Generic Xbox shooter. It's slow but passable, carries some vestigial elements of better games but doesn't make good enough use of them

Tbh BioShock probably would have worked better with the formula of Condemned

Did you play it on PC or XBox?

I've done both

Have you played System Shock or System Shock 2?

I bounced off of SS2. I played SS a couple years back and it's great

You bounced off of SS2?

Yeah. It's quite slow and I wasn't getting into the narrative or setting enough to make up for that

There's a lot of extra shit that slows down the game more, and your spec means large chunks of gameplay are just locked off in a way that doesn't feel terribly necessary, at least near the start

SS can be pretty obtuse, but at least the core gameplay mechanics respect your time

Also why I didn't care about the reboot, fwiw

I don't remember a time limit in System Shock 2 but I played it a while a ago.

Not a time limit, there's just a lot of bloat

Like SS1 has a lot of features, but none of them are "stay here and balance all these vats of chemicals" or "you didn't level up guns enough so fuck this loot". They're all part of the core thing you're doing as you progress

Which is shooting shit and fixing shit

Or selectively breaking shit at least

looks like The Verge deleted that awful PC building vid

only after they got those sweet CapitalOne shekels i'm sure