He says, while not in voice

Unless it's just frozen for me

In which case fuck mobile discord with a rake

I wound up back in the conversation I linked earlier. I started bringing up Blackstone's Formulation and people started blocking me.

I'm pretty convinced we're fucked.

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That's fair enough. I'm really trying to avoid bringing other testimonies into the matter, because the level of he-said she-said under-oath gets absolutely ridiculous. My general point is that this does NOT mean we 'wouldn't believe them'. It means we function under Blackstone's Formulation.

Here's principle laid out in full: Presume that Ford is telling the truth, and not even mistaken on who perpetrated an attack against her. Presume it WAS Kavanaugh. In such a case, Kavanaugh should face the full penalty of the law, if possible, and at LEAST be denied a seat on the supreme court.

Presume that Ford is lying. In such a case, Ford should be punished to the full extent of the law, because in such a case, Kavanaugh would, in fact, be the victim in the scenario.

When you say we should listen to accusers, I agree. When you say we should listen to victims, I agree. Where I disagree is in determining who the victim is without any evidence. Right now, it's come down to an unrelated Yearbook to try to catch Kavanaugh on Perjury, and Ford's witnesses, including her friend at the time, don't remember anything close to what she was supposed to have attended.

We have no real proof to go off of either way. If you're more interested in punishment for those who are potentially guilty, damned be the innocent, that's a lynch mob mentality and I won't have anything of it. I would rather live in a society that prefers not to see the innocent punished.```

we aint fucked yet, its always darkest before the dawn

and that aint a race thang

It's not even darkest yet.

What would be darkest?

The people I was arguing against are all for punishing innocents if it means they get to the guilty

Anarchy?

They're true fucking authoritarians.

And the worst part is

ive been able to convince people irl.... but on the internet i believe everyone is 10x past the extreme...

they think they're the liberals.

The great thing about SJW's is there are really good at pissing people off. They just can't stop themselves from trying to control everything

Eventually enough people will wake up

But there are so many people just going along with it.

People kept addressing me

@RyeNorth Maybe it's because people have forgotten the reason for justice

and I found a way to get back in the conversation

yeah, thats why you gotta shake em and make them think

I was able to address the shit people were asking me

We are no longer punishing people to keep them away

up until the point where the OP blocked me

We are punishing people to punish them

```Apparently unfriending wasn't enough. Congratulations on becoming the first person I've ever blocked, [Rye]```

I haven't talked too much about Keg Stand Kav really, but I've been able to sway socdems with experiments in empathy

Its become more of a fight for revenge rather than rehabilitation of criminals

I'm convinced this is going to end in armed conflict one way or another...

Part of the legal system has always been based around retribution

i tell them to think of their children being accused... you really have to resort to their shitty methods... thanks Saul

What do you tell people who don't have kids?

I don't think that's a shitty method

I dislike the whole 'Think of the Children' thing anyway.

i accuse them of raping me

They have male friends and relatives they don't hate, guaranteed

yeah i do too

Everyone has *one*

At the very least