Message from @ArdBoy

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2018-10-10 15:03:40 UTC  

Ohboy.

2018-10-10 15:03:53 UTC  

Did you find some Iowa-Class tiddies?

2018-10-10 15:03:54 UTC  

put it in shitposting

2018-10-10 15:04:37 UTC  

@ArdBoy the road of good intentions thing is easy to say, but do you not have good intentions too?

2018-10-10 15:05:16 UTC  

Well, that's the thing. You need to recognize that, in many cases, people who call for these things are scared, frustrated, or genuinely beleive they will make a positive change.

2018-10-10 15:05:25 UTC  

But beleif and reality are not always congruent

2018-10-10 15:06:02 UTC  

Do Americans.... not understand the purpose of the structure of the senate and the electoral college?

2018-10-10 15:06:14 UTC  

When an action's intent is to foster a good end, but it's result is the inverse, it is not by act of malice, but of ignorance.

2018-10-10 15:06:35 UTC  

@xorgy Most Americans, sadly, couldn't manage to pass a basic civics course.

2018-10-10 15:06:46 UTC  

Blame a genuinely awful education system.

2018-10-10 15:07:38 UTC  

A passing grade for civics should be 100%

2018-10-10 15:07:40 UTC  

But yeah, the way I tend to be able to make headway on political stuff like this is by being painfully reasonable, respecting and recognizing that a person's frustrations are valid, but that we disagree on how to resolve the frustration.

2018-10-10 15:07:49 UTC  

At least in germany the education system is not the problem, it's that people don't care...

2018-10-10 15:08:12 UTC  

Leaving _middle_ school with an incomplete or incorrect understanding of the basic structure of the federal government should not be possible.

2018-10-10 15:08:14 UTC  

TBH, I think the US political system could probably be solved by one modification

2018-10-10 15:08:18 UTC  

Runoff Voting.

2018-10-10 15:08:25 UTC  

runoff voting at what level?

2018-10-10 15:08:28 UTC  

Yes.

2018-10-10 15:08:43 UTC  

@xorgy you know people get tested and pass and then forget

2018-10-10 15:08:49 UTC  

Runoff voting for senators?

2018-10-10 15:08:50 UTC  

^Retention is an issue

2018-10-10 15:08:53 UTC  

For electors?

2018-10-10 15:09:12 UTC  

I wish I could just post that jojo gif of "yes yes yes yes yes yes yes"

2018-10-10 15:09:14 UTC  

@LEER They should at least remember when they test, though.

2018-10-10 15:09:34 UTC  

First past the post is #problematic

2018-10-10 15:09:41 UTC  

At what level?

2018-10-10 15:10:20 UTC  

At the senate/house race level?

2018-10-10 15:10:23 UTC  

Election procedures are state law in the US.

2018-10-10 15:10:26 UTC  

Well, I'd like to leave the option for the states to do as they please, but on a federal level, all popular vote decisions should be via runoff.

2018-10-10 15:10:38 UTC  

yeah, you can get IRV in your state if you want.

2018-10-10 15:10:43 UTC  

So, president, house, senate.

2018-10-10 15:10:49 UTC  

There are no popular vote decisions at the federal level.

2018-10-10 15:10:54 UTC  

Oh well shit

2018-10-10 15:10:56 UTC  

I'm a dumbass

2018-10-10 15:11:05 UTC  

I shoul know that I literally just registered

2018-10-10 15:11:19 UTC  

(this is an integral part of Federalism)

2018-10-10 15:11:22 UTC  

But I meant, in essence, on matter sof federal office

2018-10-10 15:11:30 UTC  

Sure, I guess that would make some sense.

2018-10-10 15:11:34 UTC  

That can be accomplished at the state level.

2018-10-10 15:11:52 UTC  

The issue with first past the post is that it immediately fosters a 2-party system because spoiler votes are lost votes.

2018-10-10 15:11:55 UTC  

Draft the amendment for your state's constitution, and try to gather some support for that amendment.