@Donny

An inherent right to it? Probably not

america was conquered.

No one has a right to any land tbh

rite of conquest still counts

pretty sure it was settled

unless you mean 1776

Then why is say Germans, who are Native to Germany.. losing power over their own country as Non Germans get to vote in their elections and direct their culture considered a positive development?

Gee i wonder what life was like in 1776....
in 1776....
1776....
76...

Omg its George Washington!

```No one has a right to any land tbh```

see this is where we differ, you think you can detach the land and it's people.. as if you have an equal right to the land your ancestors have fought for for generations to some migrant who arrived 10 years ago.

I mean no one is changing that though

No one is gifting land to immigrants

And if they buy it fair game

You two are literally constantly comparing apples and oranges :D

@Donny means it in literal terms
Theres no god-given right to land and stuff

The land you have is yours by sovereign right of the state and people

There are studies on how in more Cohesive and Homogenous societies people have a sense of place and security, there is more social engagement and trust. Nation States are clearly superior hence to Multi Culti Countries.

If someone with more force takes it they wont suddenly go "Oh thats yours isn't it? well i'll just walk around it"

@rhite do non native citizens of Germany get to vote in Elections on equal terms with a Native German?

they do

No

What Wol said is what I meant yes, but old m8 seems to be saying natives to a land should have a higher level to entitlement to some plot of land under that state's laws <:thonk:394078105070862346>

Ah citizens yes

By non-native do you mean not born in Germany?

Is there any western nation which restricts voting to only those born in the country?

No, because that would be facist and racist

I'm saying the Natives of a Land should work to preserve their Status in their own country.
A London full of majority Non English people will take the city in a very different than would a London with an English Majority.

there should be.

and what @AdorableStormtrooper means is that you have a right to defend your culture/country from other influences, because its your right to say "I dont want to be influenced by outsiders if i dont want to"

on the soil your ancestors conquered and claimed, and passed down to you

A Nation is the sum today of it's people, you replace the people of France with the people of Algeria and Morocco and it will be France in name only.

I mean thats your right yes, but thats why we live in a democracy

If people are un happy with the current way things are going they can just vote

they are not given option to vote if they want to be replaced or not.

Oi nah but apparently it bad if someone who wasn't born on ur country's soil can vote aye

Even if they are a citizen of several years, working and paying tax in that country

Well its bad if someone comes to your country for the prosperity you and your fellows made

And then wants to turn your country into one thats like the one they left in the first place

and EU level you cant even vote for those unelected leaders who make big decisons for coutnreis and policys.

There are things you will never get to vote on in a Democracy, for god sake you really think everyone with an idea has an equal chance to compete, no bank in France would give Loans to Marine Le Pen's party and she had to borrow money from the Russians which was used against her in the campaign @rhite

well its the banks money, they get to decide who to loan it to

"we live in a Democracy", no you don't as long as German and English police can barge in through your door for posting a wrong comment on Twitter.

a Democracy needs the Right to Free Speech, if you can't even express certain ideas in public, how will you get to vote on them?

thats still a democracy, just not freedom (of speech)