Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-10-17 07:10:26 UTC  

and Company B starts selling widgets cheaper, Company A should have to compete with Company B.

2018-10-17 07:10:54 UTC  

if only govs would plug all loopholes allowing heavy tax optimizations (like the google does) they wouldn't have to specifically tax rich 😉

2018-10-17 07:11:09 UTC  

Or they can buy 51% of their stocks, and then just shut the competition down

2018-10-17 07:11:19 UTC  

Also disgusting.

2018-10-17 07:11:42 UTC  

But, of course, that's only a problem if the stocks trade publicly.

2018-10-17 07:11:54 UTC  

If it's privately held, you can guard against that.

2018-10-17 07:12:16 UTC  

or just phone the guys at the other company and agree to stay above a certain price
or advertise your products so differently that consumers can't compare properly

2018-10-17 07:12:17 UTC  

There is a myriad ways to undercut a startup with a big wealth

2018-10-17 07:12:20 UTC  

The main point I think is that we regulate wrong.

2018-10-17 07:12:33 UTC  

Our regulations are set to make it harder to compete

2018-10-17 07:12:40 UTC  

not to make it harder to monopolize.

2018-10-17 07:13:00 UTC  

then there's also sectors where infrastructure costs create natural monopolies (broadband, utilities)

2018-10-17 07:13:16 UTC  

Corporatism favors the big companies. Capitalism creates a more even playing field.

2018-10-17 07:13:23 UTC  

Any industry should be disruptable.

2018-10-17 07:13:26 UTC  

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2018-10-17 07:13:32 UTC  

@RyeNorth Yup. You got it right.

2018-10-17 07:14:12 UTC  

Perhaps disallowing corporations to own intellectual property might help.

2018-10-17 07:14:44 UTC  

Specifically what comes to mind is the pharmaceutical industry.

2018-10-17 07:15:24 UTC  

IP is such a silly concept
owning ideas or concepts makes no sense

2018-10-17 07:15:24 UTC  

Part of the corruption in that field is that it's prohibitively expensive to compete, regardless of how easy a drug is to manufacture.

2018-10-17 07:15:40 UTC  

I can kind of get it for creative purposes

2018-10-17 07:15:45 UTC  

State should also do the kind of "baseline regulation" in some cases, i.e. offer the services at the low (but fair) price so that there would be a baseline and jacking prices up would be not viable for the private sector (unless they can offer some excellent addition that is worth more)

2018-10-17 07:16:07 UTC  

i get the argument that creators deserve credit
but that's not how IP law is structured

2018-10-17 07:16:08 UTC  

This sort of "soft regulation" works much better than any legislation does

2018-10-17 07:16:24 UTC  

I'm not so sure it would.

2018-10-17 07:16:49 UTC  

It lets market do its thing, but sets a limit

2018-10-17 07:17:11 UTC  

The State should not be competing in the market.

2018-10-17 07:17:17 UTC  

why not?

2018-10-17 07:17:43 UTC  

The state should be far more passive than it is.

2018-10-17 07:17:45 UTC  

if they can offer the same or better service at lower price, surely that's good

2018-10-17 07:17:59 UTC  

if the state is passive, it'll simply lose to the competition

2018-10-17 07:18:04 UTC  

@shinsoo Patent and copyright is just abused and misused. Does not mean those types of protections should not exist.

2018-10-17 07:18:20 UTC  

<:shrug_raka:430185885988945921>

2018-10-17 07:18:29 UTC  

The problem is patent trolling.

2018-10-17 07:18:35 UTC  

true, it just means they shouldn't exist as they do now

2018-10-17 07:19:01 UTC  

but the very idea of owning a non-physical concept sits badly with me

2018-10-17 07:19:04 UTC  

THere's probably plenty of advancements that have been stymied because someone somewhere holds a patent and wants their money for vaguely describing something someone else did the work for.

2018-10-17 07:19:18 UTC  

The thing is: state can afford to lose. Even if their offer is not the best, the mere existence of it would prevent the olygopoly or price damping

2018-10-17 07:19:59 UTC  

The Free Market has shown us in the past that if there is a cheaper way to do something, someone will come in to disrupt the market.

2018-10-17 07:20:05 UTC  

also it can provide the service where business considers it unprofitable

2018-10-17 07:20:08 UTC  

free market lol