Just as car users should be paying for the road network

not if it's private

Okay bois, let me try to get some sense from you guys here. How many different types of trains run in the UK? and Do they all use one standardised rail lines?

Well it's private and you're subsidising it

yes, i said that earlier

i'm happy with fully private or fully public

There is one standardise rail line. Some lines are electrified, some not

not this inbetween shit

A tiny proportion are rated for high-speed, but the gauge is the same

The problem is road users are fleeced so city cunts can get to work and put the price of rural housing up through the roof

> It's not fair that car drivers should be subsidising rail
Keeps less people on the roads tbf

Not round here it don't

ya tru

rail isn't everywhere

and doesn't go everywhere

so it's can't support us rural people

Rural areas where I am have interconnected rail that can go to Glasgow

I think that's the extended metro for your area

it's the same in wales

Yeah our cross country trains go to England or to Aberdeen/Inverness

Here's the solution for you (for me) - reduce taxation on car drivers - it should not be in total more than the cost of maintaining and running the road network

Put the difference on general taxation

the companies that RUN the train don't OWN them. They're owned by rolling stock companies who then lease the trains to the train operating company.

My issue with it -mostly- goes away at that point

@faultfiction right, who is talking about that here

no one here is talking about that

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The issue for me isn't that rail is subsidised, per se, but the cost of that subsidy is being put on people who can't use it, and can least afford it

Same principle should apply to alcohol and cigarette taxes

Most scottish trains are dire as it is

welsh trains are too

suck ass

Increased ticket prices too

my council tax went up 200 this year

bigger annoyance

The inter-National trains are okay

And the ones that go to the highlands

1800 for bins

seems a bit much

Everything else is shit tier

yeet them into the fire