and the death rate is a legit argument

Couldn't you say knives level the playing field?

they may have come to it because of a pre conceived bias agaisnt gun ownership but it is still legitimate

no because bigger knives reach further

@Puggums If someone is acting in a Christian manner it kinda irrelevant whether they practice or even realise they are.

and bigger people can wield them with bigger force

Yeah, but some guns outperform others

that's interpretive @Mr. Jesus

you're reading into their actions

how would you define "a christian manner"

Lol

@Hopix you can buy a bigger gun but you cant buy being 6ft 6

so you could say guns are *more* of an equaliser

@Puggums the zeitgeist of the western world is generally Christian.

You have to be stronger to effectively use bigger heavier guns

Dellingpole actually has a very good internview with Tom Holland about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCB31YR63G0

im not necessarily disagreeing with you on the historical context, but that behaviour is primarily socially enforced, and there are plenty of examples of it not being.

you can come to a similar sense of manners without going through christianity

yes you may get similar manners without going through it. However it is a legacy of Christianity. Whether you can or cannot is an irrelevance.

i dont think so since if you accept that you can then it shows that you're reading into peoples actions, you just classify that type of behaviour as christian; would that apply to a foreigner? would someone from a non-christian country who immigrated over be "acting christian"

@breadmoth looks better than the chinese ones but not good still.

FFS. I was talking about the general zeitgeist.

yeah but being programmed a certain way was central to what you were saying 😛

So. It was just an example.

well im disputing it as a good example

and thus the central tennent

you claimed i used confirmation bias earlier and now i throw it back at you, are you not reading in

This is not the same thing at all. You said most of the people you speak to where politcally inclined in a certain way. I said that was likely confirmation bias.

That is very different that saying "Generally in nations there is a certain attitude and zeitgeist that exists"

Richard Dawkins talked about this when he was talking about his definition of memetics.

oh no i meant the term confirmation bias, i get the "everyone i know votes the same as me, how could we lose" part of what i said

i wasnt comapring the two i was just also accusing you of it

when you say people are programmed a certain way

and im not overall disagreeing with the idea of a general zeitgeist just that it universally applies

you can break the conditioning

Zeitgeist means generally

nit picky 😛

theres more than one

I am off. This dicussion has become ridiculous. I am going to try to deal with something more sane like the TypeScript compiler.

hah

i had fun

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-i-can-do-whatever-i-want-man-fined-for-flouting-lockdown-rules-outside-tesco-11965888