what

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7141047-marry-and-you-will-regret-it-don-t-marry-you-will @Termer include this Kierkegaard quote.

Sweet

@FunnyStarRunner Yeah, Andrew Breitbart founded the Huffington Post

with Arianna Huffington

I love making sites without any framework, they're so much faster that way

i'm an old skipper who makes websites with basic HTML and CSS

if you need any embedded MIDIs i can somewhat do it

Simple HTML and CSS is the best

i wish i knew CSS

just copy what you find online

@Termer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7n2xnOiWI8 Django guy on how JS frameworks are literal cancer, but much tamer presentation

or use dreamweaver

who was saying to me that C was a "harsh start"?

i know C#, i ain't new

The person is a fool if he said C is hard to start

I started with x86 assembly, literally.

C is not a harsh start

C is deceptively simple

Wait, how are JS frameworks cancer?

Bloat

unnecessary

The browser abstraction they provide is badly needed.

@Undead Mockingbird They grow and metastasize, and when you think you've gotten rid of them, new ones show up.

For most sites JS frameworks are not needed

@Undead Mockingbird badly needed for what purpose?

Well, you don't NEED it. You can also write games in assembly.

People frequently approach a problem from the perspective that the framework will help

often the framework gets in the way

That sounds like a weird argument.

It sounds like one could apply the same argument against any C library.

The web browser exposes a lot of datastructures to JS for which frameworks often create redundant equivalents for more or less no reason.

yes, there are useful libraries

https://spookwithtim.cf/

even useful libraries for abstracting ugly bits of browsers

The whole purpose of libraries and how we've been able to manage increasing complexity has been building on top of systems and encourage reuse.

there, now it has a description

?

what description

but your shit doesn't need to be Angular or React components to be good

nor does every action have to pass through properly structured Redux actions