or use dreamweaver

who was saying to me that C was a "harsh start"?

i know C#, i ain't new

The person is a fool if he said C is hard to start

I started with x86 assembly, literally.

C is not a harsh start

C is deceptively simple

Wait, how are JS frameworks cancer?

Bloat

unnecessary

The browser abstraction they provide is badly needed.

@Undead Mockingbird They grow and metastasize, and when you think you've gotten rid of them, new ones show up.

For most sites JS frameworks are not needed

@Undead Mockingbird badly needed for what purpose?

Well, you don't NEED it. You can also write games in assembly.

People frequently approach a problem from the perspective that the framework will help

often the framework gets in the way

That sounds like a weird argument.

It sounds like one could apply the same argument against any C library.

The web browser exposes a lot of datastructures to JS for which frameworks often create redundant equivalents for more or less no reason.

yes, there are useful libraries

https://spookwithtim.cf/

even useful libraries for abstracting ugly bits of browsers

The whole purpose of libraries and how we've been able to manage increasing complexity has been building on top of systems and encourage reuse.

there, now it has a description

?

what description

but your shit doesn't need to be Angular or React components to be good

nor does every action have to pass through properly structured Redux actions

it *could* help you write Yahoo Mail

which is what it was built for

but it could also distract you from just solving your problem.

i feel like i played a part, albeit tiny, in this website because of my __timwhat.png__

lol

hmm

Partially

I will accept the performance argument, but to condemn JS frameworks in general seems a bit broad.

At least from a structural perspective.

Well, someone remind me to finish this site tomorrow, I'm tired as hell

also added favicon, goodnight

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