Message from @beaker

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2018-10-30 09:12:21 UTC  

Yeah it does. Okay, imagine you spread childporn on your website. You are responsible. Similar stuff is posted on twitter im sure.

2018-10-30 09:12:22 UTC  

Why dont we just move to local broadband instead?

2018-10-30 09:12:31 UTC  

But I worry that there is always a maintenance element that people forget.

2018-10-30 09:12:40 UTC  

they are not responsible as long as they are a platform rather than a publisher

2018-10-30 09:12:47 UTC  

if they curate, they are a publisher

2018-10-30 09:12:51 UTC  

thats the rules as they stand now

2018-10-30 09:13:14 UTC  

No it doesn't, that's why people are up in arms about Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

2018-10-30 09:13:19 UTC  

i run a decent size platform, if they make me responsible for what others post, I'm dead.

2018-10-30 09:13:29 UTC  

^ This too.

2018-10-30 09:13:42 UTC  

well you are responsible IF you curate

2018-10-30 09:13:44 UTC  

You really need to make Reddit and Facebook like a telephone company.

2018-10-30 09:13:47 UTC  

But @Redneo how do you determine if it's being curated or deleted for breaking the terms of service

2018-10-30 09:14:08 UTC  

if you delete stuff thats not against the law or enforce your guidlines in any other way than with an iron fist to every post equaly, you are responsible

2018-10-30 09:14:55 UTC  

if you tolerate something that violates the letter of your guidlines just as much from an egg account and delete something similar from a big account, you are not equaly enforcing your rules

2018-10-30 09:15:11 UTC  

that's all subjective

2018-10-30 09:15:17 UTC  

But just becuase a company misses a post here or there on one side does not prove that its been curated

2018-10-30 09:15:47 UTC  

Correlation does not equal causation

2018-10-30 09:16:03 UTC  

The only way you can proof that you dont curate is by only removing stuff after receiving a takedown notice from a court

2018-10-30 09:16:07 UTC  

Dont get me wrong I agree

2018-10-30 09:16:50 UTC  

But the company's still deserve legal protection if it's not curating. Just becuase it seems to some that it is, does not make it true

2018-10-30 09:16:57 UTC  

@Redneo as it stands now.. 100's of millions of sites are in violation of what you describe.

2018-10-30 09:16:57 UTC  

Many examples of this

2018-10-30 09:17:10 UTC  

@beaker yes they are

2018-10-30 09:17:16 UTC  

Its still US law

2018-10-30 09:17:38 UTC  

essentially everyone is non-compliant

2018-10-30 09:17:40 UTC  

BLM, the feminist movement, even cults

2018-10-30 09:18:07 UTC  

its not that its illegal to curate, but if you do, you are responsible for everything, and nobody can curate enough to deal with that

2018-10-30 09:18:30 UTC  

But can you prove that they are curating

2018-10-30 09:18:43 UTC  

If you can in legal terms then you have a point

2018-10-30 09:18:43 UTC  

can you link to any such cases that resulted in this specific legal action?

2018-10-30 09:19:06 UTC  

But companies like Facebook and Twitter have arbitration clauses

2018-10-30 09:19:13 UTC  

You cant sue them anyway

2018-10-30 09:19:43 UTC  

@beaker not really but that is why zuckerberg was pressed on curation in his hearing

2018-10-30 09:20:07 UTC  

@Cody oh this isnt about suing. Its about criminal liability

2018-10-30 09:20:19 UTC  

More like the right is biting at nails to try and find dirt on a non issue

2018-10-30 09:20:46 UTC  

its no more enforceable than trying to bust people for thought crimes. New law 'if you think about anything hateful, you will be prosecuted'

2018-10-30 09:20:49 UTC  

Like facebook was spreading videos of people being tortured and such

2018-10-30 09:20:49 UTC  

I would think the bigger issue is not censorship, though it's a big problem

2018-10-30 09:21:08 UTC  

The problem lies in much larger legal inplications

2018-10-30 09:21:32 UTC  

Should massive corporations be allowed to ban anyone when they have so much public influence

2018-10-30 09:21:44 UTC  

Personaly, i dont care