Message from @zutt

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2018-11-13 18:51:29 UTC  

Citizen votes for national gov

2018-11-13 18:51:34 UTC  

Because unless im reading this wrong that is the power granted to the EU parliment

2018-11-13 18:51:48 UTC  

Citizen votes for eu prliament members

2018-11-13 18:51:54 UTC  

The EU parliment is elected by popular vote i believe

2018-11-13 18:52:00 UTC  

National gov appoints the commisoneer

2018-11-13 18:52:20 UTC  

And eu parliament can dismiss the commision

2018-11-13 18:52:37 UTC  

It could have been organized better i admit

2018-11-13 18:52:50 UTC  

But its not devilish imo

2018-11-13 18:52:52 UTC  

The problem in Britain, though, is that this new way of ‘electing’ the Commission President did not feel very democratic. None of the main British parties are in the EPP (the Conservatives left the EPP in 2009), and so British voters were not able to vote for Juncker (although they could vote against him).

2018-11-13 18:53:01 UTC  

Is this refering to elected british representatives then?

2018-11-13 18:53:08 UTC  

in the EU parliment?

2018-11-13 18:53:30 UTC  

OK but we have the same thing in the UN, but the UN doesn't look at a countries budget (Approved by the countries poppulation at a vote) and toss it out the window. Something the EU has done a few times now.

2018-11-13 18:53:35 UTC  

Well commison president is different beast as all member states vote for him

2018-11-13 18:54:16 UTC  

Sometimes some states will get outvoted in the case of the eu president

2018-11-13 18:54:26 UTC  

As for the budget thing

2018-11-13 18:54:36 UTC  

They only demand what you sign

2018-11-13 18:54:39 UTC  

In treaty

2018-11-13 18:55:05 UTC  

I agree they have been selective about that in the past tho

2018-11-13 18:55:09 UTC  

Thats wrong

2018-11-13 18:55:40 UTC  

No country should have a budget deficit larger than 3 percent of gross domestic product or debt above 60 percent of output, and governments must set annual targets to show they’re moving in the right direction. The EU made the rules for euro-area countries stricter in 2013 following the sovereign debt crisis, which brought some member economies including those of Greece and Portugal to the brink of collapse and needing bailouts. The updated rules require euro-zone nations to pursue a balanced budget by law, a step aimed at keeping mounting public debt in check.

2018-11-13 18:55:57 UTC  

Yep

2018-11-13 18:56:06 UTC  

And eurozone has it tighter

2018-11-13 18:56:17 UTC  

Whixh sucks for some members

2018-11-13 18:56:34 UTC  

And the budgets based on what the government came to a compromise in the public's interest, but it was not in the EU's interest. NATO has similar encourgement in its charter, but the US, UK and DE don't get to rewrite the Danish National Budget for them

2018-11-13 18:56:34 UTC  

>make laws to prevent nations from going into debt
>nations go under and need bailouts

2018-11-13 18:56:43 UTC  

Fortunately my coutry isnt in eurozone

2018-11-13 18:56:46 UTC  

😄

2018-11-13 18:57:07 UTC  

If only theyd been in force earlier they mightve stopped this

2018-11-13 18:58:00 UTC  

And would you want to be made a part of the Eurozone without a refferendum?

2018-11-13 18:58:09 UTC  

The European Commission, the EU’s executive arm, monitors the finances of member states, reviews annual spending plans, identifies imbalances and issues country-by-country recommendations every spring. These have to be endorsed by finance ministers and incorporated into the budget plans for the subsequent year. The Italian government’s decision not to back down despite warnings by Brussels made the commission issue a negative opinion on Italy’s budget, essentially rejecting the country’s spending plans -- something the commission has never done before.

2018-11-13 18:58:45 UTC  

Well the italy is interesting

2018-11-13 18:58:47 UTC  

Ah good, so the EU gets to dictate policy to its member states and they are required to accept it

2018-11-13 18:58:48 UTC  

Story

2018-11-13 18:59:00 UTC  

Basicaly they are are going full retard

2018-11-13 18:59:00 UTC  

@Blackhawk342 no, it tossed the Greek Budgets quiet a few times

2018-11-13 18:59:11 UTC  

And draging the eurozone with it

2018-11-13 18:59:13 UTC  

Lel

2018-11-13 18:59:27 UTC  

Oh im sure they are doing something very dumb, nationalism can only lead to dumb decisions

2018-11-13 18:59:37 UTC  

They want the national minimum income

2018-11-13 18:59:40 UTC  

😄

2018-11-13 18:59:57 UTC  

Well it is dumb idea in this case