Message from @zutt

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2018-11-13 18:47:53 UTC  

being unable to vote for someone, but being able to vote against them

2018-11-13 18:48:00 UTC  

The fact that the members of the German Parliment are elected by the German Citizenry, means that they have to have the people intrests in mind since that is the standard on if they get re-elected or not.

2018-11-13 18:48:24 UTC  

Black what ? Commision is appointed

2018-11-13 18:48:37 UTC  

thats from the article you posted

2018-11-13 18:48:39 UTC  

And cen be dissmissed through eu parliament vote

2018-11-13 18:48:42 UTC  

Yep

2018-11-13 18:49:01 UTC  

Each state appoints one guy

2018-11-13 18:49:14 UTC  

But can the European people ask for his removal directly?

2018-11-13 18:49:15 UTC  

Why be able to vote against him or not at all?

2018-11-13 18:49:34 UTC  

They cant same as they cant remove czech preaident

2018-11-13 18:49:39 UTC  

Or british pm

2018-11-13 18:49:49 UTC  

Or us president

2018-11-13 18:49:55 UTC  

Whats the deal there ?

2018-11-13 18:50:24 UTC  

They elect their own govs and ppl from those govs apoint the commisioners

2018-11-13 18:50:25 UTC  

The People can remove the US President, they just have to abide by the terms of the US constitution.

2018-11-13 18:50:35 UTC  

Allow me to fix your analogy

2018-11-13 18:50:42 UTC  

Please do

2018-11-13 18:50:48 UTC  

Imagine that the UK can vote to remove the US president

2018-11-13 18:50:52 UTC  

but not vote for him

2018-11-13 18:51:15 UTC  

Again

2018-11-13 18:51:29 UTC  

Citizen votes for national gov

2018-11-13 18:51:34 UTC  

Because unless im reading this wrong that is the power granted to the EU parliment

2018-11-13 18:51:48 UTC  

Citizen votes for eu prliament members

2018-11-13 18:51:54 UTC  

The EU parliment is elected by popular vote i believe

2018-11-13 18:52:00 UTC  

National gov appoints the commisoneer

2018-11-13 18:52:20 UTC  

And eu parliament can dismiss the commision

2018-11-13 18:52:37 UTC  

It could have been organized better i admit

2018-11-13 18:52:50 UTC  

But its not devilish imo

2018-11-13 18:52:52 UTC  

The problem in Britain, though, is that this new way of ‘electing’ the Commission President did not feel very democratic. None of the main British parties are in the EPP (the Conservatives left the EPP in 2009), and so British voters were not able to vote for Juncker (although they could vote against him).

2018-11-13 18:53:01 UTC  

Is this refering to elected british representatives then?

2018-11-13 18:53:08 UTC  

in the EU parliment?

2018-11-13 18:53:30 UTC  

OK but we have the same thing in the UN, but the UN doesn't look at a countries budget (Approved by the countries poppulation at a vote) and toss it out the window. Something the EU has done a few times now.

2018-11-13 18:53:35 UTC  

Well commison president is different beast as all member states vote for him

2018-11-13 18:54:16 UTC  

Sometimes some states will get outvoted in the case of the eu president

2018-11-13 18:54:26 UTC  

As for the budget thing

2018-11-13 18:54:36 UTC  

They only demand what you sign

2018-11-13 18:54:39 UTC  

In treaty

2018-11-13 18:55:05 UTC  

I agree they have been selective about that in the past tho

2018-11-13 18:55:09 UTC  

Thats wrong

2018-11-13 18:55:40 UTC  

No country should have a budget deficit larger than 3 percent of gross domestic product or debt above 60 percent of output, and governments must set annual targets to show they’re moving in the right direction. The EU made the rules for euro-area countries stricter in 2013 following the sovereign debt crisis, which brought some member economies including those of Greece and Portugal to the brink of collapse and needing bailouts. The updated rules require euro-zone nations to pursue a balanced budget by law, a step aimed at keeping mounting public debt in check.

2018-11-13 18:55:57 UTC  

Yep