how about sewage/garbage removal? water purification? plumbing?

Naturally you have to grow your own food

@NativeInterface I don't think anyone actually would be bothered by taxes for roads and the like.

However when our tax money say..

is sent to Saudia Arabia

that is where people have issues

whats really going on is that the state is force feeding you services and demand payment, and if you dont pay after being force fed, you will be fined or imprisoned
and your consent to be force fed is assumed, not explicitly requested

Taxes are not being used properly, but that is a seperate issue from Taxes are theft

Yes

but if Taxes are being taken for improper use

Tax money is used to fund programs that dont even have the funds to actually do shit. Lemme give you an example.

that probably is theft.

naw...its misapproriation

if you pay for a car and recieve a donkey is that theft or fraud?

Both?

Our state just gave 300 million dollars to dental programs to decrease dental issues and increase the amount of consumers using dental services.

no, its fraud

but I would call fraud a kind of theft.

That money went to people going out and talking about teeth and how to be aware of it.

Or you can just say taxes are fraud now

i could see an argument for that

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like

Say you agree to sell me a gold coin

and instead of the gold coin you give me a chocolate coin

you "stole" the difference in value between the gold coin and the chocolate coin from me

buyer beware

what taxes are used for is completely irrelevant in terms of the act, as is the case what a robber uses their loot for, nobody cares and it has no bearing on the act
if the robber uses your stolen money to buy you a burger or vegan food, it doesnt turn the robbing into charity or legitimate trade

Lol theft is the stealing of ones property

What taxes are used for is the reason we even have social programs lol

@NativeInterface But that isn't what taxes are.

Otherwise the governments coffers would be full or sending all that money to build weapons

Most people tend to be okay with taxes is why it becomes fraud for those people

Taxes supposedly are an agreement to pay money to live in an area for that area's government to provide the services that private industry can not provide.

So taxes are legal extortion by the state, which provides sevices....

taxes are a forced purchase with the justification your consent is assumed by you happening to exist within the borders, without needing your actual explicit consent

no taxes = no army = we all speak hadji now

such as when President Obama said we need money for "Shovel Ready Projects"

and then he got a boatload of money for it..

and then next campaign he wanted more money for roads and bridges

where did that first wave of money go to?