Message from @Schedrevka

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2018-12-04 04:19:09 UTC  

They are privileges. You likely have no inherent authority or right to the things you're thinking of when you say 'right'.

2018-12-04 04:19:24 UTC  

Well, then, it was a bad idea to let the government change the constitution, wasn't it, Dusty?

2018-12-04 04:19:28 UTC  

Ugh... I give up, please, just please look up the constitution.

2018-12-04 04:19:31 UTC  

PLease read it.

2018-12-04 04:19:34 UTC  

PLease take the time to understand it.

2018-12-04 04:19:49 UTC  

It isn't there for the government to control the citizens.

2018-12-04 04:19:50 UTC  

The founding fathers were clear that *anything* in the constitution could be changed with enough support for an amendment

2018-12-04 04:19:53 UTC  

LAWS and legislations are for that.

2018-12-04 04:19:58 UTC  

We know what the constitution is. Get off your high horse. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they're wrong.

2018-12-04 04:20:05 UTC  

This just in: the constitution is not a legal document.

2018-12-04 04:20:07 UTC  

The constitution tells the government what it CAN or Can't do.

2018-12-04 04:20:09 UTC  

Don’t like guns? You can amend the constitution to get rid of then

2018-12-04 04:20:18 UTC  

The bill of rights ensures the citizens their right.

2018-12-04 04:20:23 UTC  

We know that, but the government has control OVER the constitution.

2018-12-04 04:20:31 UTC  

Our government can establish laws that must abide by the constitution.

2018-12-04 04:20:31 UTC  

I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers didn't expect the US Constitution to last more than one generation.

2018-12-04 04:20:32 UTC  

Forbid religious majority rule ala Iran/Pakistan?

2018-12-04 04:20:33 UTC  

How odd that it had to be written in, then, if they're inherent rights.

2018-12-04 04:20:35 UTC  

This is why it gets changed.

2018-12-04 04:21:00 UTC  

The idea of inalienable rights depends upon the idea of divinity

2018-12-04 04:21:30 UTC  

Otherwise they're just rights that we all agree are for the best and should be respected

2018-12-04 04:21:35 UTC  

The idea of natural rights is nonsense on stilts.

2018-12-04 04:21:37 UTC  

If they didn't consider it to last more than a century, they wouldn't have stated that the "The tree of liberty from time to time must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

2018-12-04 04:21:57 UTC  

The point is that the constitution by its design can be altered; so all this legalistic argumentation is useless. We shouldn’t argue what is *in* the constitution that should or should not be followed; we should argue about the principles of the constitution and principles in general to see if the law needs to be amended thusly

2018-12-04 04:21:58 UTC  

What's your point?

2018-12-04 04:22:08 UTC  

They being just Jefferson.

2018-12-04 04:22:14 UTC  

Tree of liberty refers to the constitution and bill of rights that ensures our freedom and liberty.

2018-12-04 04:22:28 UTC  

the constitution was influenced by Locke who states that we have rights not granted just because of the government

2018-12-04 04:22:33 UTC  

No, those are what help to protect liberty.

2018-12-04 04:22:36 UTC  

Pretty sure that quote was from Jefferson who wasnt even in the country at the point saying that. He was refencing Shay's rebellion I think it was

2018-12-04 04:22:38 UTC  

It would be a much better tool of ensuring them if it couldn't be edited.

2018-12-04 04:23:11 UTC  

It doesn't need to be edited in order to be eroded. See: 2nd amendment.

2018-12-04 04:23:20 UTC  

Yeah, we can literally just ignore it.

2018-12-04 04:23:24 UTC  

We have for, like, over a century.

2018-12-04 04:23:27 UTC  

“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, *if you can keep it*.”

2018-12-04 04:23:53 UTC  

You do realize... that you arguing this allows for the government to stripe us of our rights and effectively put us under tyrannical rule.

2018-12-04 04:24:01 UTC  

Honestly I wonder if the problem of this whole debate started with my miscommunication. @Dusty Morgan maybe your right that the constitution would grant the freedom of prostitution, but in my humanistic perspective I find prostitution abhorrent and people shouldn’t do it, whether or not it should be legal

2018-12-04 04:24:02 UTC  

Not only do we have a government that must respect those principles of freedoms, we as citizens also are expected to fight back when the government oversteps their limitations

2018-12-04 04:24:19 UTC  

"Somehow the notion of unalienable liberty got lost. It's really become a question of what liberties will the state assign to individuals or rather, what liberties we will have the strength to cling to."

2018-12-04 04:24:23 UTC  

I do agree with @Bookworm that religious conviction shouldn’t be bared as motivation for law

2018-12-04 04:24:27 UTC  

Because you are arguing that the constitution and bill of rights isn't a inherit right, but a privilege granted to us citizens by the government that can stripe us off at anytime.