Message from @Gilgamesh

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2018-12-04 07:40:12 UTC  

acting under the assumtion that you are a boltzmann brain is impossible.

2018-12-04 07:40:16 UTC  

I haven't seen any reason to believe in anything other than deterministic causality and therefor no free will, but don't think it's really worth thinking too much about. The universe is far too chaotic of a system for it to matter much to me.

2018-12-04 07:40:49 UTC  

how does free will imply determinism

2018-12-04 07:40:52 UTC  

that's fucking opposite

2018-12-04 07:41:18 UTC  

look

2018-12-04 07:41:24 UTC  

free will and fate coexist obviously

2018-12-04 07:41:32 UTC  

we have choice but we are born into circumstance

2018-12-04 07:41:34 UTC  

simple

2018-12-04 07:41:36 UTC  

simple fucking shit

2018-12-04 07:41:49 UTC  

```"No thinking and no acting would be possible to man if the universe were chaotic, i.e., if there were no regularity whatever in the succession and concatenation of events. In such a world of unlimited contingency nothing could be perceived but ceaseless kaleidoscopic change. There would be no possibility for man to expect anything. All experience would be merely historical, the record of what has happened in the past. No inference from past events to what might happen in the future would be permissible. Therefore man could not act. He could at best be a passive spectator and would not be able to make any arrangements for the future, be it only for the future of the impending instant. The first and basic achievement of thinking is the awareness of constant relations among the external phenomena that affect our senses. A bundle of events that are regularly related in a definite way to other events is called a specific thing and as such distinguished from other specific things…. Whatever philosophers may say about causality, the fact remains that no action could be performed by men not guided by it. Neither can we imagine a mind not aware of the nexus of cause and effect. In this sense we may speak of causality as a category or an a priori of thinking and acting."
-Mises```

2018-12-04 07:41:58 UTC  

who the fuck is mises

2018-12-04 07:42:10 UTC  

Ludwig von Mises.

2018-12-04 07:42:49 UTC  

Well Ludwig von Mises is an idiot

2018-12-04 07:42:51 UTC  

Best economist to have existed so far.

2018-12-04 07:43:11 UTC  

look

2018-12-04 07:43:14 UTC  

why did you quote that

2018-12-04 07:43:15 UTC  

He should stick to economics

2018-12-04 07:43:24 UTC  

i wish you could paraphrase his idea and make it your own

2018-12-04 07:43:24 UTC  

Mises was a compatibilist.

2018-12-04 07:43:35 UTC  

that's a lot to read

2018-12-04 07:43:38 UTC  

i'm drunk

2018-12-04 07:43:48 UTC  

I did paraphrase it.

2018-12-04 07:43:58 UTC  

Free will implies determinism.

2018-12-04 07:43:58 UTC  

no you posted a quote by him

2018-12-04 07:44:09 UTC  

paraphrase is writing what you think their point was

2018-12-04 07:44:13 UTC  

without it being a quote

2018-12-04 07:44:14 UTC  

I paraphrased it before posting

2018-12-04 07:44:17 UTC  

well shit

2018-12-04 07:44:28 UTC  

idfk

2018-12-04 07:44:33 UTC  

That's just the conclusion

2018-12-04 07:45:18 UTC  

Apparently Shame turns you into spiderman.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463054787336732683/519418910643322890/unknown.png

2018-12-04 07:45:21 UTC  

XD

2018-12-04 07:45:28 UTC  

Free will can not exist if thw universe is non deterministic.

2018-12-04 07:45:45 UTC  

how so

2018-12-04 07:45:48 UTC  

that seems

2018-12-04 07:45:51 UTC  

I only read the first sentence because it seems dumb. Why does he think that the universe being chaotic means it's not predictable?

2018-12-04 07:46:03 UTC  

Chaotic systems are in their very nature predictable.

2018-12-04 07:46:09 UTC  

freedom can't exist without non-freedom?

2018-12-04 07:46:21 UTC  

it's a false argument

2018-12-04 07:46:25 UTC  

why are we arguing this shit