if they don't have a choice, then it's force

SO its not force to hit people

LMAO

omg

@Crimsom because every government intervention is ultimately backed by the threat of force. Actual physical force

@Existence is identity Then tell my why first Revision of ASUS K7M didn't come with ASUS Branding and a White Box.

That's what Skeptic is getting at

You literally tell them they can run away or you will hit them

that is not firce

force*

People are not going to choose to starve to death, or freeze, or work 16 hours a day. They're going to resort to force in those circumstances. Quoting Rand or the NAP won't stop them. That's why Objectivism collapses.

if there is no force in the Market, why the fuck should a "Market Leader" in Motherboards make them without their name on it, without a real box?

@EndangeredProdigy So if they dont run away striking them is not force?

nope

Lolwut

because they had a choice

or finanical force, or social sanctions as well @Beemann doesn't have to be physical force when there are economic, social and mental ways to force co-operation

Lol

@EndangeredProdigy They have a choose not to buy from microsoft

force is giving someone no option other than compliance

Except they dont have to comply

Okay, so next time you get mugged, any beating you receive was your choice. No force was involved

You could hand over the purse or taste my knife

"They have a choice not to buy from Standard Oil" - John D. Rockefeller

```force is giving someone no option other than compliance```
Or give them some serious disadvantage that will kill their chances in the Market.

Not force

@Misomania financial force is backed by physical. What social sanctions are you referring to re: government action?

@Stefan Payne They can choose not to buy it

Oh yeah, how?

ok so the world doesn't operate in extremes. Microsoft had a HUGE monopoly over the tech world. Businesses could not operate without using it. They had to use Microsoft

By not buyin it

How can I choose not to buy Fuel?
How can I choose not to buy Electricity?
How can I choose not to buy Internet?

By not buyin it

Just like the 11M Indians who starved to death in the Bengal famine.

Wtf is my key broken

you can choose not to buy food and die

Shit

You guys are just stuck on the definition now. Agree on something.

@EndangeredProdigy Yeah you can

```ok so the world doesn't operate in extremes. Microsoft had a HUGE monopoly over the tech world. Businesses could not operate without using it. They had to use Microsoft```
Exactly!

not if monopolies control all the food