to be the alternative to the right is to be... on the left

because to me it sounds like another meaningless label used by people who want to be "rad/lit/woke/taken the red pill / what the fuck ever"

There are prominent members like Richard Spencer, they are very well defined group

yes, richard spencer is indeed well defined, as in, arsehole

that's what the leftist journos want to do with it because it's an easy way to tar a whole lot of people under one banner

spencer is a socialist though, and fairly hard core identitarian that stands for most of bernie sander's platform

socialist is what?

The Alt-Right are an identity politics group, just on the right side of the spectrum

technically a socialist *cannot be an identitarian*

because for a socialist, a true socialist, ethnic / cultural background does not define who you are

they value their whiteness above all else and advocate for a homeland for "their people"

or what value to society you have

during the debate with sargon he came out as hating capitalism

What do you call an ethnostate that owns the means of production then?

now I am not a socialist by any definition, I agree with Tim that an individual deserves to be protected and that an individual deserves the fruits of their labour

africa, middle east, isreal,etc @devpav

I think capitalism and socialism doesn't enter into it for the Alt-Right, they're open to any of these ideas, the core belief though is that it's a racially segregated group

@devpav a racist cnut ?

if you are arguing that your ethnic or 'racial' background should determine your reward from the work you put into life.

but spencer is a progressive liberal, he just changes People of color for white people

They think as long as it's only white people, they will have a harmonious society that will flourish and be a safe space for their white children, whether it's run with socialist ideals or not is secondary

Ethnonationalism doesn't touch directly on the question of capital ownership.

I dont think you understand what liberal means @Miss Direction

er @Misomania

Sargon, obvioulsy, is diametrically opposed to this kind of thinking so the Alt-Right hate him and think he's a race traitor

@Brant your definition of it doesn't make it universally true, that is some extreme narcissism. It's always been fairly nebulous which is why the mainstream liberals are shifting into being regressives so fast now

ironic because the term race traitor can be twisted by all sides to attack all sides

The economic policy of your nation regardless of its demographics would determine the reward for your labor.

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@Misomania my definition of liberalism as a construct who's primary goal is to protect the individual because the acceptance that by protecting the individual is the only true way to protect society ?

liberal to me means someone who values the traditional values of liberalism, freedom of speech, expression, religion, sexuality, the right to associate freely with anyone, all people having an equal footing and rights under law

to me that's a liberal

@Misomania maybe 😃

definitions change.

you can be left or right economical and still be those things

liberally apply some facsism can be used 😉

and you know what, I couldnt give a rats fucking arse if someone else tries to redefine the concept.

I personally believe in a fair welfare state, universal health care, pensions for the elderly, fair employee rights, etc etc

alba, they think rather sensibly that America requires a European majority in order for its institutions to remain European.

my definition to being liberal is vastly different (autistically so) from mainstream liberals as they slide into being regressives

there is no such thing as "society" if you do not accept the definition of an individual and do not believe that a society is made up of individuals.