Yes, I've also witnessed unironic support for T-series IRL

your printer got hacked?

No.

reminds me, people that leave their wireless and bluetooth enabled printers unsecured have been getting remote dick (richard nixon meme) pic'd lately. Secure those damn printers people

BTW guys what's the general political consensus here? I understand that this place is pro free speech and isn't leftist, but are you guys mostly centrist? Or are we sort of all over the place?

I consider myself a centrist

I believe that both extremes must exist and be in healthly peaceful debate with each other and that any system that leans to heavily to any single idea will inevitably crawl up it's own ass to die (along with a lot of it's former citizens in their mass graves)

that actually raises some interesting questions

for instance do you believe that among the middle class there can exist a system that heavily favors one side?

or are you more of a "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" type of person

I don't even think we have more then 1 side atm. We have liberals and rinos basically

sure, but my question was more hypothetical

You have to have both. A light touch (government) to guide that they don't even know is there

but that balance is damn hard to get

so does that mean that in your view if one side got everything they wanted, it wouldn't be as good for that side as it would be bad for society at large?

there would be a society to worry about then. You are forming one of two echo chambers. Either complete anarchy would rule with warlords, or there would be a systematic dstruction as indiviuals are crushed under a authoratarian rule

got to keep those echo chambers under control, as things spiral from there

which one of those scenarios is the liberals getting what they want?

liberals are collectivists that value group identities over indiviual people

ah I see now

though I feel that this still hasn't been explored as fully as it could

I live on Long Island, east of NYC

for instance, the ancap scenario only applies to ancaps

I haven't come across the kind of faggotry I've seen in Portland

there are other factions of the right that wouldn't destroy all government institutions and replace them with raw power

just was talking pure putting the indivual over the group mentality of the old 'fuck you, got mine' types

those your talking about are left of right basically, taking in some elements of the left

I see, so in this model what is the distinction between right wing collectivists and left wing collectivists?

nothing in that scale, the right and left would apply toward another sliding scale. I see it as 3 intersecting scales

indiviual vs collective, change vs staying the same, active vs passive

that's interesting. I kinda forgot that centrists and constitution libs tend to use the authoritarian v libertarian scale

There are too many people in NYC to allow Antifa to do bullshit blockades like they did in Portland back in October

And the NYPD would not tolerate that

you'll find that no one really fits even in one single area and will often hold ideas from all over the sides politically

of course. And my apologies. I'm not trying to label anyone here

my perspective is pretty skewed atm

so a single person will say that in some instances the government needs to take control, while also saying there are instances where it needs to stay out.

That in some instances the greater public good outweighs the single person and the reverse in others. (such as stopping disease from spreading over the single sick person)

I used to be a secular talk - sargon type guy

but recently I've been consuming a lot of right wing philosophy

we'll say that we need to preserve the past, while looking at the future for example. As a idea of embracing both sides at once

I think I understand