And we have a *much* less religious influince anymore...

we cant just say bullshit like a Demon possesed them

@GoldenPhoenix no it isn’t. It’s to maximize benefiting the majority. It doesn’t actually create any moral foundations. It’s a means to an end philosophy.

```And eugenics```
Is inevitable and has been done for thousands of years for various reasons.

Or shock somebody because they like the weinerschnitzel

who here are american so i can ask there opinion whats the status of the current culture war. Wich side is pushing and wich side is losing

well, Hollywood exagerated and focussed on only the bad aspects I should say and made it tough to convince people on the mass of how they can be useful and necessary when done correctly

@Salacious Swanky Cat So gay marriage is not utilitarian?

yes but that argument assumes that there is an end to get to, rather than assuming that society will continue indefinitely. we don't need a goal to move towards, we need a system that can keep going

good point

I would say for the cuture war is a war of attrition, sjws slowly losing support

How about a secular education system that does not promote any single religion?

just look at gen-z

Well thats good to hear.

@LittleGiantJ atheism is a religion

well thats gunna happen if you oppress your kids

@Salacious Swanky Cat its a non prophet. . . orginization

oof

Atheism is the antonym of religion.

@Salacious Swanky Cat they cant do fucking math because they dont believe in higher powers

badum Tsss

(mic drop)

no, it's the antonym of theism

Er. Yes.

Playing Fallout...

Uh. Nope. Still a religion.

you like fallout ?

Well, 4 and NV.

Playing 4 now.

question do you think Enclave would be better

i would have joined them if given the chance

religion is a collection of core beliefs that cause a person to wish to act. atheism is a.... gray religion

Still a religion

oh really

@Salacious Swanky Cat what is their beliefs then?

yes, but it's possible to have an agnostic education

agnosticism is the true antonym of religion

whats the nice word for Atheist . . Secularist lol

I would have to play 3 again. Haven't touched it in years.

Yeah 3 is pretty good side quest storys

Also moved to PC.