Message from @Gilgamesh
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It's bullshit to convince you that evil is necessary somehow
Evil is retarded
But I'm not getting through to two nihilists
the train thing is not a fallacy it's an analogy for when there is a choice to make that leads only to bad outcomes and your ability to rationalize evil as the "lesser evil", which means that morality is relative to the situation and not bound to pure logic
I'm not sure I am a nihilist.
Why can't you stop the train
disproving the idea of real evil and real good
What's the bad outcome? What if my goal is to get to work on time?
Why can't you bring the people off the tracks
Can i make the train hit both people?
If i still make it on time, what does 6 ppl dying matter to that goal?
that's bargaining, and that doesn't solve anything. don't you understand the point of an allegory ?
So, again, what's the goal?
If one is that fucking late that they can only move a train to one end before there is time to save anyone then you should move it to where there are less casualties
But wait
What if the five people were pedophiles
life isn't all sweet, sometimes you have to make choice (and not acting is still a choice) that lead only to bad outcomes
I just hate nihilistic philosophers because they ignore ancient logical philosophy and embrace modern nihilistic ones
Like Sartre
the train is heading torwards five people, you are too slow to run save them, you can either switch the lever and have only one person die that wouldn't have otherwise, or don't act because you refuse to kill that person but your refusal to act kills the five
If I didn't know who they were?
I'd send it to the one person
Then I'd find out who the other five are that I saved
If they were evil people I'd kill them
And call it a day
you don't understand the point of thought experiment do you, it's not about adding variables
No. I do
I'm thinking further is all
Your point is to justify that there is no true good
That is a fucking fallacy
You're stupid
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And with that
I will return later
I would probably not act then.
or at least take the specific action of throwing a switch.
Unless I had some reason to.
Can't i just kill all 6. With the train.