I'm still wondering what the goal of the train meme is.

That's between you two

It's a black and white fallacy however

There is always another option

If I turned the train to kill one I commit murder

If I left the train to kill 5 I am implicit

It's bullshit to convince you that evil is necessary somehow

Evil is retarded

But I'm not getting through to two nihilists

the train thing is not a fallacy it's an analogy for when there is a choice to make that leads only to bad outcomes and your ability to rationalize evil as the "lesser evil", which means that morality is relative to the situation and not bound to pure logic

I'm not sure I am a nihilist.

Why can't you stop the train

disproving the idea of real evil and real good

What's the bad outcome? What if my goal is to get to work on time?

Why can't you bring the people off the tracks

Can i make the train hit both people?

If i still make it on time, what does 6 ppl dying matter to that goal?

that's bargaining, and that doesn't solve anything. don't you understand the point of an allegory ?

So, again, what's the goal?

If one is that fucking late that they can only move a train to one end before there is time to save anyone then you should move it to where there are less casualties

But wait

What if the five people were pedophiles

life isn't all sweet, sometimes you have to make choice (and not acting is still a choice) that lead only to bad outcomes

I just hate nihilistic philosophers because they ignore ancient logical philosophy and embrace modern nihilistic ones

Like Sartre

the train is heading torwards five people, you are too slow to run save them, you can either switch the lever and have only one person die that wouldn't have otherwise, or don't act because you refuse to kill that person but your refusal to act kills the five

I fucking hate Sartre

If I didn't know who they were?

I'd send it to the one person

Then I'd find out who the other five are that I saved

If they were evil people I'd kill them

And call it a day

you don't understand the point of thought experiment do you, it's not about adding variables

No. I do

I'm thinking further is all

Your point is to justify that there is no true good

That is a fucking fallacy

You're stupid

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And with that

I will return later