So we agree then @NativeInterface

whats the use of learning the intricacies of a system you hope to tear down

and most of it will be uninteresting, or even unpleasant to consume

well not unpleasant, but certainly not fun.

people want to argue political opinions but have no interest in learning the facts about what they argue about

A tool is no good without the will to use it

What's the best way to correct Tim's misunderstanding about how libel law works, there is a ton of case law that calling someone a racist / anti semite / nazi / etc is not just a matter of opinion but is actional defamation because of the reputational harm if its not supported by verifiable facts

Because political opinions don't require facts.

Write it on a potato and snail mail it?

Only values.

Its not a political opinion

There is a mile of case law

yeah which is why socialist starvation keeps happening

But values lead to learning to facts

ofc.

sneak into his home and stitch your opinion (in essay form) into his beanies

No, values do not.

that way he cannot ignore it

That falsely accusing someone of being a nazi, when real harm is involved, is actionable

Certain values may.

So having the opinion needs to come first

@💲Mckeone💲 but so many people have been called nazis (who aren't) that it is functionally meaningless

why trans whamen can grow a beard that better than mine, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

even as far back as the 90s

drugs

@ʇooNʇooN those cases die on inability to prove damages

@Pondo because you bathe in soy

i think many left are afraid of having opinion

i was

im not, sir

I mean a person with no opinion or values can be told anything

@💲Mckeone💲 ah, okay.

Here is NJ law

afraid of having an opinion, or prioritizing fitting in with a group?

a person who isn't particularly one way or the other is harder to convince IMHO

people confuse opinions with facts a lot, in both directions

not really, if you have an opinion in sweden u get called nazi

so

wait, my emotions aren't facts?

power of speech

i think many in sweden have felt like that